Ange in or out?

[Danishfurniturelover]

Bit of an ott reaction. In what way am I the problem?

Because fans that accept mediocrity set the tone for how the club perform in my view.

 

[sirharolddove]

You just want him gone. Fine. But if you really have been reading the reasons why some of us would grit our teeth and stick with it, you'd also have noted the following:

*he has endured an enormous injury crisis which has several knock-ons thus deserves the chance with a fitter squad
*the entire CLUB has been revised and recalibrated to this system of play, so change it now and you could well be starting from scratch across the board
*when we have clicked this season we have absolutely clicked and then some - the promise is huge

I frankly don't expect anything other than disagreement from you, which is fine. We are allowed to have different opinions. Yeah, that's right, different opinions. NOBODY knows the right answer right now. Not me, not you, no-one. A definitive step either way is a gamble. Where you put your money -and why- remains personal choice.

if the entire club has been revised and recalibrated to his style of play, why aren't some of the U23s etc getting a chance? why not use them as rotation to rest others if they are now so embedded in his so called 'system' or 'style' or whatever this chaos is supposed to be?

it took him months to give Spence a decent shot, Gray has never been given fair crack in his natural position (a position where our current options are utterly woeful), and he's running Solanke into early retirement because he won't let Lankshear get off the bench.

and 'his' signings, Werner and Maddison are now not deemed good enough by him to start.

a complete mess.

 

[Benny_Lad]

There are people who having watched the game believe we just 'went for it when 2-1 ip and didn't try to manage the game'...the narrative is getting entrenched...

It’s chaotic in here. I think I’m going to sign off until we beat Saudi Sportswashing Machine.

 

[Raziel]

You just want him gone. Fine. But if you really have been reading the reasons why some of us would grit our teeth and stick with it, you'd also have noted the following:

*he has endured an enormous injury crisis which has several knock-ons thus deserves the chance with a fitter squad
*the entire CLUB has been revised and recalibrated to this system of play, so change it now and you could well be starting from scratch across the board
*when we have clicked this season we have absolutely clicked and then some - the promise is huge

I frankly don't expect anything other than disagreement from you, which is fine. We are allowed to have different opinions. Yeah, that's right, different opinions. NOBODY knows the right answer right now. Not me, not you, no-one. A definitive step either way is a gamble. Where you put your money -and why- remains personal choice.

I would.like nothing more than Anger to succeed, I have nothing against the guy, actually like his ambition but not his results. To your points

The squad injuries are largely on him.

I really don't understand the next manager means some huge change in personnel needed? This squad could easily align to any progressive manager playing 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3, that uses wingers (e.g. Iriola as example). This is the point of Munn/Lange

Of course everyone can have an opinion, but the right answer is always manage the risk vs hope (hope is not a strategy) and that's where you and I often disagree

 

[Robspur12]

Because fans that accept mediocrity set the tone for how the club perform in my view.

Ah ok, not sure how my post was “accepting mediocrity” perhaps you misunderstood. Anyway knock yourself out.

 

[Kompakted]

Fans turning on each other- it's dire lads. Last one leaving turn off the lights. There's no going back from this. It's toxic.

 

[Daveeeeeeeed]

"Well we had no choice, if Radu doesn't play, I don't know who plays. He wasn't 100%, but he felt he could get through with his ankle," Postecoglou told reporters

Erm Dorrington?

Seriously I know we don't see what goes on in training but he does have choices he's just stubborn. He really doesn't help himself.

 

[Mrs Vert]

Breaking records since 1882.

And always the good ones that nobody else wants

 

[El Guepardo]

Frustratingly I think that Amorim’s tactics would be a better fit for us. We have the players that could play that system so hopefully if Ange goes, we can find a manager who has experience and success in playing a similar way.

 

[Finney Is Back]

They've better managed their home grown, club trained and locally trained quotas over the years. We have to register players like Whiteman, Austin, Gray, Lankshear etc in the Europa squad and even if we had went out and bought a couple of more "men" in the summer, they'd quite possibly not been able up be registered in the Europa League squad as a result of this issue.

When "just shut up and back the manager Levy" comes back to bite hard when we've had several seasons of short term managers in Mourinho and Conte that don't care about the club's future and don't want to work with kids.

Yes, I am fully aware that other clubs have been run far better than we have on the football side of things, that is why I would like our club to have a better CEO.

 

[Finney Is Back]

Frustratingly I think that Amorim’s tactics would be a better fit for us. We have the players that could play that system so hopefully if Ange goes, we can find a manager who has experience and success in playing a similar way.

Amorin was the obvious manager to bring in when we sacked Conte. The fact we didn’t do so tells us a lot

 

[Finney Is Back]

Not sure people realize or bother they can change it

I think it is because most of us know where the real problems are at this club…..

 

[Kompakted]

Yes, I am fully aware that other clubs have been run far better than we have on the football side of things, that is why I would like our club to have a better CEO.

CEO shouldn't be dealing with the football side. The decision to run without a DOF/Sporting Director from when Franco Baldini left to when Fabio Paratici joined killed the club's progress. Maybe not in the short term under Poch (who apparently was very influential in the club's decision) but the long term - there wasn't a football focused person in that boardroom for a long time, arguably time when the board's attention was being eaten by the stadium project and then managing the financial pressures of Covid. It put us back at least 5 years in terms of squad development IMO, and our first team buys during that period were mostly IMO f***ing dogsh*t too.

 

[Mikey10]

Tottenham's decision to stick with Postecoglou is hurting everyone involved

There are simply no more positives left to spin

inews.co.uk

Good article although can imagine some of you will disagree with me

Hard to argue with. At this stage it does feel a bit Emperor’s New Clothes to me.

We seemed to have lost our identity. I thought Ange’s teams dominated possession? We used to have 70% all the time and now we don’t. We look lost and it looks like we are just going with the flow. What are we supposed to be doing? Are we a counter attacking team? Front foot? I’m lost.

I’ve said before, we’re 18 months in and I’m not really sure what Angeball is.

I do wonder if the results chasers would be happy if we re-appointed Nuno and played a totally different style to Ange.

Genuinely unsure what ‘results chasers’ are…people who want to win games?

Frustratingly I think that Amorim’s tactics would be a better fit for us. We have the players that could play that system so hopefully if Ange goes, we can find a manager who has experience and success in playing a similar way.

Hang on for a month and we could get him.

 

[Finney Is Back]

Palmer is fsir, I said that at the time
Duran… the player no one had heard of
There must be a better player that’s one you would have known at the time

I think I suggested Duran last summer as a good potential signing.

 

[Legohamster]

It’s hard to keep that up with players current energy levels. Hence today we sat off a bit and let them have the ball. Maybe not by design but it was change from the usual.

Apparently some wanted to see Ange change it up - but evidently in my replies, many did not!

I do wonder if the results chasers would be happy if we re-appointed Nuno and played a totally different style to Ange. That’s not aimed at you btw.

What is a results chaser?!?

 

[spurspinter1]

You just want him gone. Fine. But if you really have been reading the reasons why some of us would grit our teeth and stick with it, you'd also have noted the following:

*he has endured an enormous injury crisis which has several knock-ons thus deserves the chance with a fitter squad
*the entire CLUB has been revised and recalibrated to this system of play, so change it now and you could well be starting from scratch across the board
*when we have clicked this season we have absolutely clicked and then some - the promise is huge

I frankly don't expect anything other than disagreement from you, which is fine. We are allowed to have different opinions. Yeah, that's right, different opinions. NOBODY knows the right answer right now. Not me, not you, no-one. A definitive step either way is a gamble. Where you put your money -and why- remains personal choice.

Maybe I'm misreading it but this is an odd response. It seems like it's you that is disagreeing with Raziel and he (assuming he is a he) has not indicated that you aren't allowed to share a different opinion. Sure whatever we do is a gamble, it seems like more of a gamble to stick the longer that this run of form goes on. When the performances showed promising signs that was one thing but now the results match the performances. As for the whole club being recalibrated to the current playstyle, that would be awesome if the playstyle actually worked. Continuity isn't ideal if you're not very good.

I can't help but think you've backed yourself into a corner with declarations on the pod that if we change things up it'll be the worst decision ever based on pressure from idiot fans who don't share the same belief levels that you do. It's paraphrasing to a certain degree but am I miles off?

If you don't want to respond, feel free to not bother with a snarky care emoji, that's the kind of brick I would do and you should never stoop to that level no matter how bad it gets!!!! I'm just fascinated if there's a point when you'll be like "Oh actually, this isn't working despite it being in theory what I want our club to be about and we need to make a change".

 

[Bedfordspurs]

I think I suggested Duran last summer as a good potential signing.

Yeah
But that was after his year at Villa
Not the year we signed Richy

 

[Finney Is Back]

"Well we had no choice, if Radu doesn't play, I don't know who plays. He wasn't 100%, but he felt he could get through with his ankle," Postecoglou told reporters

Erm Dorrington?

Seriously I know we don't see what goes on in training but he does have choices he's just stubborn. He really doesn't help himself.

I’ve watched Dorrington about a dozen times. He is not yet good enough to start for a Championship team.

 

[Finney Is Back]

CEO shouldn't be dealing with the football side. The decision to run without a DOF/Sporting Director from when Franco Baldini left to when Fabio Paratici joined killed the club's progress. Maybe not in the short term under Poch (who apparently was very influential in the club's decision) but the long term - there wasn't a football focused person in that boardroom for a long time, arguably time when the board's attention was being eaten by the stadium project and then managing the financial pressures of Covid. It put us back at least 5 years in terms of squad development IMO, and our first team buys during that period were mostly IMO f***ing dogsh*t too.

Like I say, extremely poor work from the CEO.