Only because a hacker leaked emails. Their verdict was meant to be in march. Their case ended in jan/feb?
Can't do that? They did it. Still doing it.
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Ange in or out?
- Thread starter Yiddo
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Only because a hacker leaked emails. Their verdict was meant to be in march. Their case ended in jan/feb?
Can't do that? They did it. Still doing it.
Legohamster
Tom Huddlestone
I concur , no statement as such
I think they could be clever about it in a casual way and it would work and people would get the message
We are working on targets for Ange for next season blah blah blah
thfcsteff
Vivian Woodward
I can absolutely respect your viewpoint mate
Like levys end of season statement?
It seems to be quite a common line of attack to denigrate the motivations of those who criticise Ange at the moment - personally i think that's pretty bad form. Play the ball not the man.
thfcsteff
Vivian Woodward
...not the first time you've said this to me. I think it is bad form to imply what you have, especially as I am always willing to discuss opposite opinions with anyone as long as it's
a discussion and not the same old stuff. Im fact, precisely because we are back in that weird space on this forum, I was in the process or deleting all my replies to anyone today, however you did reply, so...
I am remarking on those who refuse to accept that contexts have changed with Wed night's win, and who further double-down on stats we all agree are poor to repeat their case/insult people who don't see it their way as somehow being crazy. There are people who now denigrate the trophy he won as being 'lesser' because of 'the quality of opponent'.
I have consistently played the ball. You just think I got the man first, possibly because of your viewing angle? Maybe VAR what I wrote
But no worries, it is what it is and we are where we are.
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Muttley
Mido
If you don't mind, I'll move beyond your last sentence as not relevant to me or my commentary above. It could easily change the theme of the point I was actually making. I don't sit in the abuse Ange camp.
For me, the media training thing is relevant. Ange is incredibly trained on it through learning on the job would be my guess. I'm not sure he's going as far as writing down the toughest questions you could be asked and mapping out answers like you're trained to do. However, he is doing the generic or canned answer thing pretty well and he is nowhere as straight talking as he likes to think. He's definitely practicing his answers and defence mechanisms even if it is in his own head. Perhaps he has a soundboard colleague in the camp that he works with on it. Something comes out in his comms that it is not straight talking. There's more and more revisionism appearing and he shows a little too much hostility. That brings attention where it could be avoided in my opinion.
The questions are as bad as the answers though. Why couldn't the questions be areas like "Ange, so we've now completed season 2 and we've conceded 60 goals in both season. It seems to be holding us back. Can the fans be confident you will improve this next season?"
It seems to me that the only football questions nowadays are about who's fit and who's injured. I'm always happier when an actual football conversation is happening.
Of course, the best thing Ange can do to fix some of this is on the training ground and on the pitch in the areas he is coming up short. Then his media life will be a lot easier.
Silly McSilly Face
Scott Parker
He wasn't exceptional at CB. He was passable as a kid who clearly hadn't played in the position before. Don't see that being his future at all. Not a top level future anyway. You're right about him looking like a rabbit in the headlights in CM. But then the team has been such a mess its hard to judge.
thfcsteff
Vivian Woodward
Thanks for replying. I have since deleted the comment. You're welcome to let this reply to it sit of course, just wanted to be clear as to why it is no longer here.
DeanoAustin
Paul Walsh
I do wonder about the politics at our club and whether managers get adequate support.
Ange has alluded to it in the last few days. He’s not in on the meetings about transfers, he’s having to answer questions on his future, he hasn’t had any discussions with Levy re next year.
I recall Poch making similar accusations towards the end (“don’t ask me about transfers, I’m the coach, not the manager”) and Conte had a go too about having to handle the media on his own IIRC.
Stinks a little bit.
Ange has alluded to it in the last few days. He’s not in on the meetings about transfers, he’s having to answer questions on his future, he hasn’t had any discussions with Levy re next year.
I recall Poch making similar accusations towards the end (“don’t ask me about transfers, I’m the coach, not the manager”) and Conte had a go too about having to handle the media on his own IIRC.
Stinks a little bit.
Eriktheviking
Goran Bunjevcevic
this 100%. The manager required depends on the attitude of the board and what an acceptable league position and CL position is. Ange has worked miracles winning arguably the third best trophy in Europe following a league title and CL.
Yiddo
Steffen Freund
Ange has the final say on transfers and always has, he speaks to them all personally then makes a decision. He will work with the transfer team but will obviously not be in every single meeting. I think people are clutching at straws here.
Muttley
Mido
I did make comment about what Ange said a couple of days back. Wasn't it something like that he'd either have to gatecrash the meetings or be invited. Again, this is more revisionism from him in the way I see it. He has talked before about everyone working as a group to improve the squad. Perhaps that shifted a little in January based on a few things he said. Nothing massively controversial but you could read between the fuzzy lines of some discontent creeping in maybe.
There are a couple of things that sprung into my head on this. The first was that there was no way that leadership team were going to include him when he was on a 2 game a week schedule and planning for the biggest game in our recent history. He had to be absolutely focused on that rather than whether Tel gets a loan conversion.
The second thing is a bit deeper, I'm hoping that Ange hasn't over-empowered himself with his bosses just because he's won a trophy. I hope he's not getting gobby. They will soon knock him down if that is the case. He should realise that he is the luckiest Spurs manager in our history when it comes to investment. Poch had a genuine case about the recruitment that was supporting his 1st team management. Ange doesn't really have a case in my mind.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
It seems inconsistent. Poch used to love Simon Felstein and relied on him a lot for media. He also only kicked off about transfers when they replaced Paul Mitchell with Steve Hitchen.
glasgowspur
Chris Jones
I think what he said is a little unclear and being read incorrectly.
My interpretation was that he wouldn't be involved in the negotiations, not that he wouldn't have a say on whether to buy him or not.
DeanoAustin
Paul Walsh
Seemed like he said he wanted an invite to the meeting discussing Tel’s future but hadn’t been invited yet which seems very strange.
Muttley
Mido
He said something like he'd either have to gatecrash the meetings or actually be invited. It came across as sarcastic with a deeper meaning in my opinion. That is why people picked up on it.
Silly McSilly Face
Scott Parker
No different to any other major club these days. The coaching team are not that involved in transfers any more, because the footballing strategy is set by the sporting director and the coaching staff are expendable - the strategy should carry on under a new head coach. The head coach does get put up in front of the media, but again, that's normal. Similar to how players get put in front of the media. The media are interested in the match and the coaches and players are the ones that impact on that.
tommysvr
Michael Carrick
I read your post in the match thread after the game and thought “ugh the post-match scenes must have been pretty grim.” Then I actually watched it. I saw thousands in the stands having a party.
You went to that much knowing the players had been on a 3 day bender. There were memes all over the place about it. You’re telling me you expected anything more? I was actually amazed they fronted up, and they were better than Brighton for the first half. No surprise that the alcohol and lack of sleep caught up with them in the second half.
“It’s not how top clubs behave” — what does that even mean? Why do people constantly compare everything to everyone else? Why not just consider what it means to Spurs and Spurs fans? This obsession with how everyone else does or does not do something is so GHod damn pathetic.
It just seems like more people who don’t want to allow themselves any joy over this. Suddenly Bilbao wasn’t worth celebrating and enjoying because we lost to Brighton in a game that had literally no impact on anything, other than our goal difference.
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Welshspur60
Matthew Etherington
Since hes been fit again Moore has mostly been overlooked. Maybe Ange didnt see him show enough in training to warrant getting picked. I hope hes not just snither we have overhyped.