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Putin & Russia

Silly McSilly Face said:
Although Trump is the only one actually trying to bring normality to the world at this moment in time. If he'd have lost the election you'd have had the various conflicts continuing and there wouldn't have even been any talk of peace negotiations, cease fires and Macron and co. would still be fully on the "keep going" and "whatever it takes" band wagon.
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I mean its for his own gain and ego, some might say "well thats enough as long as it brings "peace" not for me, the bloke is just a large steaming pile of cnut residue.
 
Grays_1890 said:
I mean its for his own gain and ego, some might say "well thats enough as long as it brings "peace" not for me, the bloke is just a large steaming pile of cnut residue.
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He's also decapitating the two noble defenders and encourging the colonialists to ethnical cleanse. But hey ho, if it gets the suffering off the news schedules.
 
Silly McSilly Face said:
Although Trump is the only one actually trying to bring normality to the world at this moment in time. If he'd have lost the election you'd have had the various conflicts continuing and there wouldn't have even been any talk of peace negotiations, cease fires and Macron and co. would still be fully on the "keep going" and "whatever it takes" band wagon.
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Er...what?
 
Silly McSilly Face said:
Although Trump is the only one actually trying to bring normality to the world at this moment in time. If he'd have lost the election you'd have had the various conflicts continuing and there wouldn't have even been any talk of peace negotiations, cease fires and Macron and co. would still be fully on the "keep going" and "whatever it takes" band wagon.
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If you think normality is stopping USAID supporting African countries that are relying on them to stop an AIDs epedemic and reducing the liklihod of ebola outbreaks then you need to take a look at yourself.

That's without going into starting trade wars, treating immigrants like brick, sacking tens of thousands without reason, clearing Israel to start bombing the brick our of Gaza again, threatening to annex countries, and cosying up to a dictator and giving him whatever he wants and trying to force the victim to give up everything in the name of "peace". And there's plenty more that could be added to that list that is far from normal.
 
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Silly McSilly Face said:
Although Trump is the only one actually trying to bring normality to the world at this moment in time. If he'd have lost the election you'd have had the various conflicts continuing and there wouldn't have even been any talk of peace negotiations, cease fires and Macron and co. would still be fully on the "keep going" and "whatever it takes" band wagon.
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There were only ceasefires because he sided with Putin and Bibi. They think they will get what they want with his backing so were willing to appear to play the game. You think either the Russians or Israelis actually have any intention of acting honourably in this?

Wants a rare mineral deal as the price of doing the right thing in Ukraine (which is for his and his cronies benefit not for US economic growth) and is complicit in the ethnic cleansing of Gaza to build a friggin' Mediterranean Mar-a-Lago.

He is 19th Century Imperialist made flesh. He is not looking to bring 'normality' but it appears you think a temporary bully peace is better than actually trying to do the right thing and stopping more deaths further down the road.

He is also doing a massive money steal from the bottom 40% of the US population and transferring it up to the top 1%, trying to destroy the independence of the judiciary and has already castrated Congress.

Yeah an all around good guy, trying to normalise things and looking out for others.
 
DubSpur said:
If you think normality is stopping USAID supporting African countries that are relying on them to stop an AIDs epedemic and reducing the liklihod of ebola outbreaks then you need to take a look at yourself.

That's without going into starting trade wars, treating immigrants like brick, sacking tens of thousands with reason, clearing Israel to start bombing the brick our of Gaza again, threatening to annex countries, and cosying up to a dictator and giving him whatever he wants and trying to force the victim to give up everything in the name of "peace". And there's plenty more that could be added to that list that is far from normal.
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Not forgetting the b4tbrick crazy "lets make Canada a state" stuff.

But yeh..........peace and love man, peace and love
 
Lilbaz said:
Whatever he's trying to do he's cost me £6k in the last 2 m
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Lost Mango said:
There were only ceasefires because he sided with Putin and Bibi. They think they will get what they want with his backing so were willing to appear to play the game. You think either the Russians or Israelis actually have any intention of acting honourably in this?

Wants a rare mineral deal as the price of doing the right thing in Ukraine (which is for his and his cronies benefit not for US economic growth) and is complicit in the ethnic cleansing of Gaza to build a friggin' Mediterranean Mar-a-Lago.

He is 19th Century Imperialist made flesh. He is not looking to bring 'normality' but it appears you think a temporary bully peace is better than actually trying to do the right thing and stopping more deaths further down the road.

He is also doing a massive money steal from the bottom 40% of the US population and transferring it up to the top 1%, trying to destroy the independence of the judiciary and has already castrated Congress.

Yeah an all around good guy, trying to normalise things and looking out for others.
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Peace is better than war, yes.

What is doing the right thing and how will it prevent more deaths? I keep saying this but people clearly aren't paying attention:

- Ukraine cannot defeat Russia. It has shown that it can only slowly lose a grinding conflict, even with all the help they've been provided with.

- When the west tried to support a "counter offensive" hoping that they could concentrate Ukrainian forces with advanced western equipment and training and punch a hole through the weakest part of the Russian line, they literally bounced off and then lost some of the most significant ground in the war in the chaotic aftermath.

- The billions of $ in aid and geopolitical instability is hurting all of us and the poorest are being hit hardest with inflation.

- Western government's are unwilling to directly intervene militarily and therefore continuing to arm and support Ukraine to keep them in the fight longer is a futile gesture, that prolongs the conflict, the destruction, the killing and the threat to global security for zero tangible benefit.

And Trump, whatever his motivations, or what you think about him, is the only person in power on this planet that is talking sensibly about this situation.
 
Silly McSilly Face said:
Peace is better than war, yes.

What is doing the right thing and how will it prevent more deaths? I keep saying this but people clearly aren't paying attention:

- Ukraine cannot defeat Russia. It has shown that it can only slowly lose a grinding conflict, even with all the help they've been provided with.

- When the west tried to support a "counter offensive" hoping that they could concentrate Ukrainian forces with advanced western equipment and training and punch a hole through the weakest part of the Russian line, they literally bounced off and then lost some of the most significant ground in the war in the chaotic aftermath.

- The billions of $ in aid and geopolitical instability is hurting all of us and the poorest are being hit hardest with inflation.

- Western government's are unwilling to directly intervene militarily and therefore continuing to arm and support Ukraine to keep them in the fight longer is a futile gesture, that prolongs the conflict, the destruction, the killing and the threat to global security for zero tangible benefit.

And Trump, whatever his motivations, or what you think about him, is the only person in power on this planet that is talking sensibly about this situation.
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Not sure why you quoted me. I wasn't talking about ukraine. I'm talking the tarrifs that have seen my stocks lose over £6k in value in the last 2 months.
 
Lilbaz said:
Tbf the left have gone a bit mental on the pronouns and transgender stuff. Also trying to stop serious criminals from being deported.

On other stuff he's as mad as a box of fish.
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Not sure if you are serious (wine taken). If you are, then no. No they haven't. The right has gone a bit mad on pronouns and transgender stuff. This is just their latest moral panic on something that affects almost no one.
 
Rorschach said:
Not sure if you are serious (wine taken). If you are, then no. No they haven't. The right has gone a bit mad on pronouns and transgender stuff. This is just their latest moral panic on something that affects almost no one.
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Affects quite a few people as women make up half of the population. It isn't moral panic when women are getting their skulls cracked.
 
Lilbaz said:
Affects quite a few people as women make up half of the population. It isn't moral panic when women are getting their skulls cracked.
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You are losing me. Are you saying half the population is affected by transgender/pronoun issues and are getting their skulls cracked? I'm not following your train of thought.
 
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