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Sick sick world what is wrong with people

robp135 said:
Oh yes. All those openly gay Denver men in 1992.
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Well known for it, one of the first openly equal states that fought for gay rights, which means there most certainly was a prominent community.

One of the first cities to establish gay pride.

I suspect there is a reason the study was picked in Denver, but thats an assumption on my part.

Ultimately mate, none of this is a slight on you, I am just reporting whats out there to be read, any issues should be with that, not the messengers
 
MartyFunkhouser said:
Well known for it, one of the first openly equal states that fought for gay rights, which means there most certainly was a prominent community.

One of the first cities to establish gay pride.

I suspect there is a reason the study was picked in Denver, but thats an assumption on my part.

Ultimately mate, none of this is a slight on you, I am just reporting whats out there to be read, any issues should be with that, not the messengers
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What of this do you disagree with?

Men are more likely to have sexual perversions than women. Men are typically more sexually aggressive than women. The majority of pedofiles are men. Gay men are more likely to have suffered sexual abuse as minors. The majority of sex offenders who abuse children were themselves the victims of sexual abuse as a child.
 
robp135 said:
What of this do you disagree with?

Men are more likely to have sexual perversions than women. Men are typically more sexually aggressive than women. The majority of pedofiles are men. Gay men are more likely to have suffered sexual abuse as minors. The majority of sex offenders who abuse children were themselves the victims of sexual abuse as a child.
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That it's men.
 
robp135 said:
The legal assessment and approval process for adopting a child in the UK is exactly the same for gay men/couples as it is for anyone else and that should not be the case.

Men are more likely to have sexual perversions than women. Men are typically more sexually aggressive than women. The majority of pedofiles are men. Gay men are more likely to have suffered sexual abuse as minors. The majority of sex offenders who abuse children were themselves the victims of sexual abuse as a child.

All these things combined should mean gay men are under a stricter assessment to adopt a child. That’s before any of the biological factors that typically mean womens ability to care for and raise a child being better than mens even come into consideration.

To be clear. That does not mean no gay men or couples should be able to adopt.
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Child abuse is not a gay issue, gay people are no more likely to be abusers than anyone else. I can see I am late to the topic and others are already putting that POV forward.
 
robp135 said:
The legal assessment and approval process for adopting a child in the UK is exactly the same for gay men/couples as it is for anyone else and that should not be the case.

Men are more likely to have sexual perversions than women. Men are typically more sexually aggressive than women. The majority of pedofiles are men. Gay men are more likely to have suffered sexual abuse as minors. The majority of sex offenders who abuse children were themselves the victims of sexual abuse as a child.

All these things combined should mean gay men are under a stricter assessment to adopt a child. That’s before any of the biological factors that typically mean womens ability to care for and raise a child being better than mens even come into consideration.

To be clear. That does not mean no gay men or couples should be able to adopt.
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Honestly, the FIRST sector of the male public I personally think of when you put that out there and suggest 'closer scrutiny' are CEOs, company directors, and any people in high managerment positions, where sociopathy, sexism, mental and physical abuse plus power games are all commonplace and part of the 'business matrix'. I mean OF COURSE there are some excellent CEOs and bosses out there, but there are also a lot of abusive ars-eholes out there who I wouldn't want anywhere NEAR a child for a variety of reasons!!!
 
robp135 said:
Gay men are more likely to have suffered sexual abuse as minors. The majority of sex offenders who abuse children were themselves the victims of sexual abuse as a child.
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But there is a fundamental flaw in the logic you are suggesting.

Gay men being more likely does not mean there are more sexual abusers that are gay, it just means a larger percentage of their base is. Given straight men also get abused and there are FAAAAAR more straight men in the world, means you are missing a key data set from your workings. % of is not the same are pure numbers.

So I dont disagree with your 6 presented facts, I am saying you miss a 7th and key stat that straight men also get abused and therefore enter the equation as potential abusers and in larger numbers because.....there are more straight men in tbe world
 
thfcsteff said:
Child abuse is not a gay issue, gay people are no more likely to be abusers than anyone else, I think it is a very dangerous step to make that leap.
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Gay and bisexual men report higher rates of childhood sexual abuse than heterosexual men.

The prevalence of sexual assault against people who identify as Gay, Lesbian or Bisexual in the United States: A systematic review - PMC

This article systematically reviews 75 studies that examine the prevalence of sexual assault victimization among gay or bisexual (GB) men, and lesbian or bisexual (LB) women, in the United States. All studies were published between 1989 and 2009 and ...
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

news.vumc.org

Study finds LGBQ people report higher rates of adverse childhood experiences than straight people, worse mental health as adults

ACEs included physical, emotional and sexual abuse; household mental illness, household substance misuse, household domestic violence, having an incarcerated household member, and parental divorce or separation.
news.vumc.org news.vumc.org



pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Childhood sexual abuse among homosexual men. Prevalence and association with unsafe sex - PubMed

Of 327 homosexual and bisexual men participating in an ongoing cohort study pertaining to risk factors for HIV infection who completed a survey regarding history of sexual abuse, 116 (35.5%) reported being sexually abused as children. Those abused were more likely to have more lifetime male...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Men who sexually abuse children are more likely to report having been sexually abused as children than men in the general population.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Sexual abuse history among adult sex offenders and non-sex offenders: a meta-analysis - PubMed

The most obvious implications of these findings is that the prevention of sexual abuse of children, either through prevention programs directly targeting children or through treatment programs targeting individuals who are likely to sexually offend against children (e.g., known sex offenders...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov



 
robp135 said:
The legal assessment and approval process for adopting a child in the UK is exactly the same for gay men/couples as it is for anyone else and that should not be the case.

Men are more likely to have sexual perversions than women. Men are typically more sexually aggressive than women. The majority of pedofiles are men. Gay men are more likely to have suffered sexual abuse as minors. The majority of sex offenders who abuse children were themselves the victims of sexual abuse as a child.

All these things combined should mean gay men are under a stricter assessment to adopt a child.A That’s before any of the biological factors that typically mean womens ability to care for and raise a child being better than mens even come into consideration.

To be clear. That does not mean no gay men or couples should be able to adopt.
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Taking it back to your earlier post, particularly the parts I have bolded : what would those stricter rules/criteria/assessments look like? What would be the line in the sand that would prevent a male gay couple from adopting?
 
MartyFunkhouser said:
But there is a fundamental flaw in the logic you are suggesting.

Gay men being more likely does not mean there are more sexual abusers that are gay, it just means a larger percentage of their base is. Given straight men also get abused and there are FAAAAAR more straight men in the world, means you are missing a key data set from your workings. % of is not the same are pure numbers.

So I dont disagree with your 6 presented facts, I am saying you miss a 7th and key stat that straight men also get abused and therefore enter the equation as potential abusers and in larger numbers because.....there are more straight men in tbe world
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That’s always been my point and is enough of a reason for the assessment of male gay couples looking to adopt children being more stringent.

I’d apply that to a single straight male looking to adopt as well.
 
robp135 said:
That’s always been my point and is enough of a reason for the assessment of male gay couples looking to adopt children being more stringent.

I’d apply that to a single straight male looking to adopt as well.
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I would apply the same to all trying to adopt including heterosexual couples otherwise the data that applies to straight men who were abused, of which is about 20% of a much larger base is ignored. That would be ridiculous

Given that more heterosexual couple adopt it would be a noncense to be stricter to one set than another.
 
Glenda's Legs said:
Taking it back to your earlier post, particularly the parts I have bolded : what would those stricter rules/criteria/assessments look like? What would be the line in the sand that would prevent a male gay couple from adopting?
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I just beleive it should not be exactly the same as an adoption involving a female. Which it is at this point in time. And that’s not just because of a risk of sexual abuse either. There are reasons why courts almost always favour the female when determining custody of children.
 
robp135 said:
Gay and bisexual men report higher rates of childhood sexual abuse than heterosexual men.

The prevalence of sexual assault against people who identify as Gay, Lesbian or Bisexual in the United States: A systematic review - PMC

This article systematically reviews 75 studies that examine the prevalence of sexual assault victimization among gay or bisexual (GB) men, and lesbian or bisexual (LB) women, in the United States. All studies were published between 1989 and 2009 and ...
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

news.vumc.org

Study finds LGBQ people report higher rates of adverse childhood experiences than straight people, worse mental health as adults

ACEs included physical, emotional and sexual abuse; household mental illness, household substance misuse, household domestic violence, having an incarcerated household member, and parental divorce or separation.
news.vumc.org news.vumc.org



pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Childhood sexual abuse among homosexual men. Prevalence and association with unsafe sex - PubMed

Of 327 homosexual and bisexual men participating in an ongoing cohort study pertaining to risk factors for HIV infection who completed a survey regarding history of sexual abuse, 116 (35.5%) reported being sexually abused as children. Those abused were more likely to have more lifetime male...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Men who sexually abuse children are more likely to report having been sexually abused as children than men in the general population.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Sexual abuse history among adult sex offenders and non-sex offenders: a meta-analysis - PubMed

The most obvious implications of these findings is that the prevention of sexual abuse of children, either through prevention programs directly targeting children or through treatment programs targeting individuals who are likely to sexually offend against children (e.g., known sex offenders...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov



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But @robp135
You're conflating.
You're putting together statistics to support a conflated view that because men who sexually abuse are 'more likely' to report being abused, and because gay/bisexual men report higher levels of abuse than hetro men, this means gay/bisexual men are more likely to be child abusers????? Come on man.

One of the main reasons gay and bisexual men are more likely to have been abused is because abusers can sense vulnerable people, and despite all the efforts which have seen LGBTQ+ rights advanced, there is still stigma and prejudice openly thrown at those communities.
Your stats on men and abuse are there to be seen.
Your conflation that this somehow makes gay men more likely to be sexual abusers is, to put it politely, a product of fear and prejudice.

Let me ask you a question. Have you ever been 'afraid' to be naked in a locker room? Have you ever been 'afraid' to find yourself at a gay bar? Do gay men as a community scare you in any way? Genuine questions.
 
robp135 said:
I just beleive it should not be exactly the same as an adoption involving a female. Which it is at this point in time. And that’s not just because of a risk of sexual abuse either. There are reasons why courts almost always favour the female when determining custody of children.
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Having a female in the equation doesnt counter the potential of the man in the mix potentially being a potential threat.
 
MartyFunkhouser said:
I would apply the same to all trying to adopt including heterosexual couples otherwise the data that applies to straight men who were abused, of which is about 20% of a much larger base is ignored. That would be ridiculous

Given that more heterosexual couple adopt it would be a noncense to be stricter to one set than another.
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Makes it a much easier policy to implement as you need to apply it to much fewer people.
 
robp135 said:
I just beleive it should not be exactly the same as an adoption involving a female. Which it is at this point in time. And that’s not just because of a risk of sexual abuse either. There are reasons why courts almost always favour the female when determining custody of children.
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That just sounds like a cop-out tbh for something you seem to feel strongly about.
If you think the scrutiny should be stricter, you must have an idea as to what element of the assessment would be subject to the stricter scrutiny?
You've mentioned gay men being sexually abused as children as if it is a risk, so it sounds like you are saying that should be something to be looked at in the assessment process?
 
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