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The we are staying up thread

ricky2tricky4city said:
Midweek before or after the Saturday final
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Can’t see it being the week before, preferable as that might be, as we play Leeds on the Monday. So the only option is midweek after the Final and before the last game of the season. Far from ideal. But then it’s us, so that computes.
 
Glenda's Legs said:
Can’t see it being the week before, preferable as that might be, as we play Leeds on the Monday. So the only option is midweek after the Final and before the last game of the season. Far from ideal. But then it’s us, so that computes.
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Ah you're right....trust our game v Leeds to already be moved.

You'd rather play a team in the run up to a final.....only positive is they might play extra time (there is extra time, isn't there?) ..and we get a good amount of prep time.
 
Mikey10 said:
I read today that our game would be moved to the Wednesday night before the final Sunday of the season. Not sure if that’s definitely right?

Edit: Just looked at the remaining fixtures and that looks the only possibility.
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Wednesday night before the final sunday of the season is the night of the EL-final, which will have Nottingham F. or Aston Villa in it.

Cant see it be that day - it will be tuesday or thursday.
 
Denmark Spur said:
Wednesday night before the final sunday of the season is the night of the EL-final, which will have Nottingham F. or Aston Villa in it.

Cant see it be that day - it will be tuesday or thursday.
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That doesn’t affect premier league games at this stage of the season
I don’t think Tottenham will let the game be on the Thursday and will have some say in it
 
fernadez said:
4 points from the next 2 games to stand a chance. Brentford should be good for a draw against West Ham and Le Goons need a win.
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Yeah I think we need to at least match their result this weekend and then it’s hopefully game on the following week given our fixtures. Leeds won’t be easy at all and are v good on the break. It will be another nail biter!
 
I calculate that there are a possible 32 different combinations of results between us and West Ham over our last two fixtures. And if my calculations are correct, 22 of those possible outcomes would mean we definitely stay up, six of them would mean we are relegated (booooo!) whilst the remaining four would result in both teams being level on points, meaning they'd be decided on goal difference. Suffice it to say we currently have an 11 goal difference. Moreover, two of the four combinations where we finish level on points would nevertheless require West Ham to win one of the two games by a margin of at least 11 goals because the other game will have been a draw (see table below). What happens if both teams finish level on points AND goal difference I have no idea, but chances are it won't come to that anyway.

So of the 32 possible combinations of results, I believe these are the only six that would definitely send us down on points total alone:

Tottenham WL (total 41 points), West Ham WW (42)
Tottenham DD (40), West Ham WW (42)
Tottenham DL (39), West Ham WW (42)
Tottenham DL (39), West Ham WD (40)
Tottenham LL, (38), West Ham WW (42)
Tottenham LL (38), West Ham WD (40)

If it comes to it, these are the four combinations of results that would be decided on goal difference:

Tottenham WD (42), West Ham WW (42)
Tottenham DD (40), West Ham WD (40)
Tottenham LD (39), West Ham WL (39)
Tottenham LL (38), West Ham DD (38)

And here's the22 remaining results that would see West Ham relegated on points total:

Tottenham WW (44), West Ham WW (42)
Tottenham WW (44), West Ham WD (40)
Tottenham WW (44), West Ham WL (39)
Tottenham WW (44), West Ham DD (38)
Tottenham WW (44), West Ham DL (37)
Tottenham WW (44), West Ham LL (36)
Tottenham WD (42), West Ham WD (40)
Tottenham WD (42), West Ham WL (39)
Tottenham WD (42), West Ham DD (38)
Tottenham WD (42), West Ham DL (37)
Tottenham WD (42), West Ham LL (36)
Tottenham WL (41), West Ham WD (40)
Tottenham WL (41), West Ham WL (39)
Tottenham WL (41), West Ham DD (38)
Tottenham WL (41), West Ham DL (37)
Tottenham WL (41), West Ham LL (36)
Tottenham DD (40), West Ham WL (39)
Tottenham DD (40), West Ham DD (38)
Tottenham DD (40), West Ham DL (37)
Tottenham DD (40), West Ham LL (36)
Tottenham DL (39), West Ham DD (38)
Tottenham LL (38), West Ham DL (37)
Tottenham LL (38), West Ham LL (36)

Hope I've got this all correct! 😟
 
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Spur of the moment said:
I calculate that there are a possible 32 different combinations of results between us and West Ham over our last two fixtures. And if my calculations are correct, 22 of those possible outcomes would mean we definitely stay up, six of them would mean we are relegated (booooo!) whilst the remaining four would result in both teams being level on points, meaning they'd be decided on goal difference. Suffice it to say we currently have an 11 goal difference. Moreover, two of the four combinations where we finish level on points would nevertheless require West Ham to win one of the two games by a margin of at least 11 goals because the other game will have been a draw (see table below). What happens if both teams finish level on points AND goal difference I have no idea, but chances are it won't come to that anyway.

So of the 32 possible combinations of results, I believe these are the only six that would definitely send us down on points total alone:

Tottenham WL (total 41 points), West Ham WW (42)
Tottenham DD (40), West Ham WW (42)
Tottenham DL (39), West Ham WW (42)
Tottenham DL (39), West Ham WD (40)
Tottenham LL, (38), West Ham WW (42)
Tottenham LL (38), West Ham WD (40)

If it comes to it, these are the four combinations of results that would be decided on goal difference:

Tottenham WD (42), West Ham WW (42)
Tottenham DD (40), West Ham WD (40)
Tottenham LD (39), West Ham WL (39)
Tottenham LL (38), West Ham DD (38)

And here's the22 remaining results that would see West Ham relegated on points total:

Tottenham WW (44), West Ham WW (42)
Tottenham WW (44), West Ham WD (40)
Tottenham WW (44), West Ham WL (39)
Tottenham WW (44), West Ham DD (38)
Tottenham WW (44), West Ham DL (37)
Tottenham WW (44), West Ham LL (36)
Tottenham WD (42), West Ham WD (40)
Tottenham WD (42), West Ham WL (39)
Tottenham WD (42), West Ham DD (38)
Tottenham WD (42), West Ham DL (37)
Tottenham WD (42), West Ham LL (36)
Tottenham WL (41), West Ham WD (40)
Tottenham WL (41), West Ham WL (39)
Tottenham WL (41), West Ham DD (38)
Tottenham WL (41), West Ham DL (37)
Tottenham WL (41), West Ham LL (36)
Tottenham DD (40), West Ham WL (39)
Tottenham DD (40), West Ham DD (38)
Tottenham DD (40), West Ham DL (37)
Tottenham DD (40), West Ham LL (36)
Tottenham DL (39), West Ham DD (38)
Tottenham LL (38), West Ham DL (37)
Tottenham LL (38), West Ham LL (36)

Hope I've got this all correct! 😟
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So statistically we are strong favourites to stay up?




That’s us f ucked then.
 
Spur of the moment said:
I calculate that there are a possible 32 different combinations of results between us and West Ham over our last two fixtures. And if my calculations are correct, 22 of those possible outcomes would mean we definitely stay up, six of them would mean we are relegated (booooo!) whilst the remaining four would result in both teams being level on points, meaning they'd be decided on goal difference. Suffice it to say we currently have an 11 goal difference. Moreover, two of the four combinations where we finish level on points would nevertheless require West Ham to win one of the two games by a margin of at least 11 goals because the other game will have been a draw (see table below). What happens if both teams finish level on points AND goal difference I have no idea, but chances are it won't come to that anyway.

So of the 32 possible combinations of results, I believe these are the only six that would definitely send us down on points total alone:

Tottenham WL (total 41 points), West Ham WW (42)
Tottenham DD (40), West Ham WW (42)
Tottenham DL (39), West Ham WW (42)
Tottenham DL (39), West Ham WD (40)
Tottenham LL, (38), West Ham WW (42)
Tottenham LL (38), West Ham WD (40)

If it comes to it, these are the four combinations of results that would be decided on goal difference:

Tottenham WD (42), West Ham WW (42)
Tottenham DD (40), West Ham WD (40)
Tottenham LD (39), West Ham WL (39)
Tottenham LL (38), West Ham DD (38)

And here's the22 remaining results that would see West Ham relegated on points total:

Tottenham WW (44), West Ham WW (42)
Tottenham WW (44), West Ham WD (40)
Tottenham WW (44), West Ham WL (39)
Tottenham WW (44), West Ham DD (38)
Tottenham WW (44), West Ham DL (37)
Tottenham WW (44), West Ham LL (36)
Tottenham WD (42), West Ham WD (40)
Tottenham WD (42), West Ham WL (39)
Tottenham WD (42), West Ham DD (38)
Tottenham WD (42), West Ham DL (37)
Tottenham WD (42), West Ham LL (36)
Tottenham WL (41), West Ham WD (40)
Tottenham WL (41), West Ham WL (39)
Tottenham WL (41), West Ham DD (38)
Tottenham WL (41), West Ham DL (37)
Tottenham WL (41), West Ham LL (36)
Tottenham DD (40), West Ham WL (39)
Tottenham DD (40), West Ham DD (38)
Tottenham DD (40), West Ham DL (37)
Tottenham DD (40), West Ham LL (36)
Tottenham DL (39), West Ham DD (38)
Tottenham LL (38), West Ham DL (37)
Tottenham LL (38), West Ham LL (36)

Hope I've got this all correct! 😟
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Put into ChatGPT and is says under those assumptions, Tottenham would have about a 92.6% chance of staying up.

Doesn’t take into account the unpredictable nature within football. Chelsea our rivals. Everton competing for Europe. Home form. Saudi Sportswashing Machine & Leeds on the beach.
 
Spur of the moment said:
Oops, re post 54 above, my grandson has pointed out I omitted one more possible combination of results that would send us down. See bolded entry below.

Tottenham WL (total 41 points), West Ham WW (42)
Tottenham DD (40), West Ham WW (42)
Tottenham DL (39), West Ham WW (42)
Tottenham DL (39), West Ham WD (40)
Tottenham LL, (38), West Ham WW (42)
Tottenham LL (38), West Ham WD (40)
Tottenham LL (38), West Ham WL (39)

This means there are seven (not six) possible combinations of results out of a possible 33 (not 32) that would definitely send us down on points total alone.

Apologies for the confusion. Should have gone to ChatGPT!
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You actually listed 23 combinations that would lead to WH being relegated but also consider:
Tottenham DL (39), West Ham DL (37) and
Tottenham DL (39), West Ham LL (36)
so there should be 25 and the overall total number of combinations is 36.
 
robp135 said:
Put into ChatGPT and is says under those assumptions, Tottenham would have about a 92.6% chance of staying up.

Doesn’t take into account the unpredictable nature within football. Chelsea our rivals. Everton competing for Europe. Home form. Saudi Sportswashing Machine & Leeds on the beach.
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Leeds were meant to be on the beach when we played them. That didn’t go so well, did it.
 
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