LutonSpurs
Eric Dear
I beleive there are rules which are consistent. Not built on some false patriotic bravado like you.
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I beleive there are rules which are consistent. Not built on some false patriotic bravado like you.
And I live in the real world. One where it will be incredibly difficult to recruit for our armed forces if they know they'll be hung out to dry by politicians who will sell anyone out to solidify their legacy.
People don't want to retire and then be looking over their shoulders for the rest of their lives, just for keeping innocent civilians safe from terrorists.
MartyFunkhouser
Erik Thorstvedt
He isn't investigating the armed forces, but bent cops
Same response then, but with police.
LutonSpurs
Eric Dear
Police should not be above the law. Even if it kills your populist erection.
You're right. But if they're to properly protect us against terrorists (who follow no rules or laws whatsoever) it's a little naive to think they can do so staying entirely clean.
MartyFunkhouser
Erik Thorstvedt
But there are clearly levels to that,
LutonSpurs
Eric Dear
Entirely clean? You think ambiguous language around law actually exists? Do you actually think that's what the policy should be. Do bad things but not too bad. If you want to know how bad then ask Scara from GG. He's an expert in law. And HR apparently too. You are so out of your depth here. Maybe disappear again?
LutonSpurs
Eric Dear
Surprised Russia aren't asking to get back in
Clearly it doesn't matter how long I'm here or not here for, I'll be entitled free in that tiny mind of yours the whole time.
Probably time you found a new obsession.
kb 1984
Richard Gough
Absolutely but where are the police getting there info from ex members of the IRA who should be rotting in hell. Ex members of the RUC covering there arses. I wouldn't trust half the information given to some enquiry to make the government look good on northern Ireland. Lucky I am not in charge I would re arrest every convicted IRA member released under the good Friday agreement & put them back in prison never to be released. Will not happen it would upset to many. we have to keep Sinn Fein & the IRA happy so let's investigate the Army & the police. Have people forgotten what the IRA did in both the UK & Northern Ireland they treated there own just as badly. These clams deserve our condemnation not an olive branch & an enquiry
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kb 1984
Richard Gough
We all know what happens we just choose to ignore it. There are organisations inside both government & the military that keep us & our children safe & that's all we need to know.
MartyFunkhouser
Erik Thorstvedt
TBF it's think its abit more sophisticated an investigation than taking just someone's word. He doesnt give too much away, naturally, but its also not just a one way investigation, its also about investigating claims from people who were discriminated against because of passport or relation who had no official ties to the IRA.
I think its best said as a hard job, rather than the cosh I've read thus far, although not shocked TBH
kb 1984
Richard Gough
Never said it was an easy job I don't blame the guy investigating I do have sympathy for him. I blame the government for setting it up in the first place. If you are going to investigate the army /police you should also investigate the IRA who murdered innocent people but we won't so it's a pointless enquiry.
Every investigation starts with someones word doesn't mean it's correct & as I said I wouldn't trust most of them to tell the truth.
As for people being discriminated against because of there passport is that a crime. we are all judged everytime we go through immigration based on our passport.
So someone might have ties to the IRA but it wasn't official so they might have been discriminated against based on that a crime was committed. Really that's a crime.
What's a crime is putting explosives in a car parking outside a shopping centre & trying to kill as many innocent men women & children as possible. Nope can't go after them
If you don't like the tosh I write feel free to not read it or you can ignore/block me
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LutonSpurs
Eric Dear
Again the point I was making is that the nobody is above the law.
kb 1984
Richard Gough
I probably should have left it at absolutely. Anyway I agree but as governments have the power to change the laws it can be manipulated at times.
LutonSpurs
Eric Dear
No it's fine. There's always nuance and I need to listen to people with real experience. Thank you
glasgowspur
Barry Daines
If one side is given an amnesty then so should the other.
You would think that after decades of killing, maiming, discrimination and a terrible life for all concerned based on long held grudges (justifiable grudges) on how one side was treated differently from another that the lesson would have been learnt.
But oh no, we will set up a system that stores up another set of grudges so we can go through it all again.
Both sides were wrong, leave it like that and move on. It's not great having murderers walk the streets, but it's better than what it was.
LutonSpurs
Eric Dear
I mean this would be a combination of justice and how commitments to peace work.