Ange in or out?

[lurker of old]

I saw a graph which showed we were top (or thereabouts) for intensity of sprints done. If we lose so many games, I'm tempted to say "What's the point of all that sprinting?". Wouldn't we be better getting the players in positions where not so many sprints are required, especially defensively?
He's clearly a great motivator, a special coach in that sense - but elite level coaching is about so much more, and that is why we are all so engaged in the "will he stay or will he go?" conversation. The Board truly have an "unprecedented" decision to make!

 

[Legohamster]

The way some were talking about Paratici it was as if it's been officially confirmed he will be coming back, I thought I'd just missed the announcement- what actually is the situation with him then?

Can it be confirmed till his ban is up? I dont know the terms of his ban, in theory is he even allowed to talk to clubs about a new job?

 

[Gutter Boy]

I saw a graph which showed we were top (or thereabouts) for intensity of sprints done. If we lose so many games, I'm tempted to say "What's the point of all that sprinting?". Wouldn't we be better getting the players in positions where not so many sprints are required, especially defensively?
He's clearly a great motivator, a special coach in that sense - but elite level coaching is about so much more, and that is why we are all so engaged in the "will he stay or will he go?" conversation. The Board truly have an "unprecedented" decision to make!

Its very ineffective. Dumb running. Or sprinting back because we've over committed going forward. We def dont press well anyway

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Injuries happen to every club. Some of the wins we have had could have been attributed to injuries on the losing club's side but we wouldn't care about that and we shouldn't. Injuries happen to everyone so if your squad isn't prepared that is your own fault. If you do not have an adaptable plan that is again your own fault. If you can not play without a specific player I'm going again say the same thing...that's on you.

Managing is just that managing. A good manager has a plan that is adaptable for the majority of scenarios, the greats a plan that works great in pretty much all contexts. If you can't work in these contexts you're not a great or even a good "manager".

It’s why it’s not an excuse
But part what happens
Even to the extremes

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Three: giving him funds to buy players when he won't be here is more money down the drain that a new manager would lose come January.

There's a big enough body of evidence to prove that overall this job is beyond his capability.

He isn’t buying the players
The clubs DOF is
That’s the model

 

[Bedfordspurs]

But since the knock out stages, his first teamers were back but he still didn't juggle the two effectively. It was all eggs in one basket.

All the eggs were in the right basket though
Absolutely nothing wrong with thar

 

[Lilbaz]

He isn’t buying the players
The clubs DOF is
That’s the model

Yes but he does tell the dof what is needed and has a veto of any player he doesn't want.
A different manager may want something different.

 

[Lilbaz]

All the eggs were in the right basket though
Absolutely nothing wrong with thar

What basket next season?

 

[Bedfordspurs]

What basket next season?

Up to the club to decide
I’m sure this year it was a cup and CL

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Yes but he does tell the dof what is needed and has a veto of any player he doesn't want.
A different manager may want something different.

Maybe
I’ve not sat in the room for those meeting to know

 

[thfcsteff]

Ok so from memory. Going forward Wellbeck and their other forward dropped deeper Inbetween bentancur and our back line meaning they could out number him and compress our back line moving Porro when he wasn’t out of position already because of Ange’s favoured inverted fullback tactics infield. They also built from the right and switched quickly to the left Meaning that Mitoma was able to totally dominate. He had a good first half anyway but in the second half he had so much time and space it was criminal negligence

I'll have to look back at Wellbeck's movements. Mitoma's increased effectiveness was down to the security and superiority of Estupian as a player. If you look at the first 15/20 mins of that second-half, Brighton were much more aggressive on every potential second-ball, and we simply could not match. Regarding their build, it was no different to what they tried in the first-half (indeed they fashioned several good opportunities). The difference was intensity and desire, they were rather 'respectful' and we were front-foot aggressive.

 

[thfcsteff]

As a side note I actually think Ange’s system would work better with a 343/3511/3421

At which point it would not be his system. I think the players/intent in style of play would suit 3-4-2-1 albeit that formation is fluid and not locked in.

 

[Denmark Spur]

Ange Postecoglou faces D-day over Tottenham future next week​

Mike McGrath

Ange Postecoglou’s future at Tottenham Hotspur is set to be decided next week, with sources viewing his position as under extreme risk despite winning the Europa League.

The Spurs manager, 59, delivered the club’s first silverware in 17 years but oversaw their worst-ever finish in the Premier League with 22 defeats across the campaign, leading to chairman Daniel Levy looking at other managers.

Levy has been away from the UK in the last days, while Postecoglou has been on holiday and a decision on whether to sack the Australian coach is pending. Spurs will make major changes in key departments this summer and a change of manager has been anticipated in some quarters.

Postecoglou is halfway through his four-year contract at Spurs, having joined from Celtic in 2023 and delivered a trophy in his second season, as he predicted in September.

The Spurs squad and Postecoglou celebrated with fans on an open-top bus parade after defeating Manchester United in the Europa final, with the manager insisting: “In all the best TV shows, season three is better than season two.”

But Levy has been mindful to make changes this summer after the club’s Premier League form nosedived. They suffered the most defeats by a team in a 38-game season without getting relegated. Vinai Venkatesham will take over as chief executive, while changes are expected in the medical and sport science departments.

Brentford’s Thomas Frank will be in the frame should Postecoglou depart, with the Danish coach’s work with young players at the Gtech Community Stadium admired. Fulham’s Marco Silva is also highly rated, as is Andoni Iraola although he is expected to stay at Bournemouth. Crystal Palace chairman Steve Parish, meanwhile, was adamant Oliver Glasner would stay at Selhurst Park after winning the FA Cup.

Postecoglou became only the second Spurs manager to win silverware this century with the Bilbao triumph, joining Juande Ramos, who won the League Cup in 2008.

On the final day of the season, after a 4-1 home defeat by Brighton, Postecoglou questioned why he should be asked about his future after winning a trophy for the club and also returning to the Champions League. But he also accepted Premier League form had been “nowhere near good enough and unacceptable”.

The Greek-born coach, who moved to Australia as a child, was Levy’s fourth permanent appointment in as many years. Jose Mourinho, Nuno Espírito Santo and Antonio Conte also had spells in the post-Mauricio Pochettino era, with only Postecoglou delivering a trophy.

Ryan Mason, who worked in Postecoglou’s backroom staff, is finalising his move to West Bromwich Albion to be head coach.

Ange Postecoglou faces D-day over Tottenham future next week

Exclusive: Australian under serious risk of sack despite ending club’s 17-year wait for silverware with Europa League triumph

www.telegraph.co.uk

 

[thfcsteff]

He isn’t buying the players
The clubs DOF is
That’s the model

Indeed!
He'a buying when it suits an argument or viewpoint...honestly, this whole discussion feels like a giant waste of time because deep down we all know what is likely to happen...

 

[Robspur12]

All the eggs were in the right basket though
Absolutely nothing wrong with thar

Yes of course because we won. But it doesn't give any indication of how the team will perform going forward.

 

[thfcsteff]

Yes of course because we won. But it doesn't give any indication of how the team will perform going forward.

This is why the conversation is getting redundant (I'm sure you'd agree)...depending on your viewpoint you will either -

a) believe that such narrow focus proves nothing other than he cannot manage multiple competitions

b) believe that showing such narrow focus -and getting across the line- is the final catalyst for this group to move onto bigger things (having also reach a cup semi-final in the same season)

All other details and perspective mean little IMO at this point.

 

[Legohamster]

Ange Postecoglou faces D-day over Tottenham future next week​

Mike McGrath

Ange Postecoglou’s future at Tottenham Hotspur is set to be decided next week, with sources viewing his position as under extreme risk despite winning the Europa League.

The Spurs manager, 59, delivered the club’s first silverware in 17 years but oversaw their worst-ever finish in the Premier League with 22 defeats across the campaign, leading to chairman Daniel Levy looking at other managers.

Levy has been away from the UK in the last days, while Postecoglou has been on holiday and a decision on whether to sack the Australian coach is pending. Spurs will make major changes in key departments this summer and a change of manager has been anticipated in some quarters.

Postecoglou is halfway through his four-year contract at Spurs, having joined from Celtic in 2023 and delivered a trophy in his second season, as he predicted in September.

The Spurs squad and Postecoglou celebrated with fans on an open-top bus parade after defeating Manchester United in the Europa final, with the manager insisting: “In all the best TV shows, season three is better than season two.”

But Levy has been mindful to make changes this summer after the club’s Premier League form nosedived. They suffered the most defeats by a team in a 38-game season without getting relegated. Vinai Venkatesham will take over as chief executive, while changes are expected in the medical and sport science departments.

Brentford’s Thomas Frank will be in the frame should Postecoglou depart, with the Danish coach’s work with young players at the Gtech Community Stadium admired. Fulham’s Marco Silva is also highly rated, as is Andoni Iraola although he is expected to stay at Bournemouth. Crystal Palace chairman Steve Parish, meanwhile, was adamant Oliver Glasner would stay at Selhurst Park after winning the FA Cup.

Postecoglou became only the second Spurs manager to win silverware this century with the Bilbao triumph, joining Juande Ramos, who won the League Cup in 2008.

On the final day of the season, after a 4-1 home defeat by Brighton, Postecoglou questioned why he should be asked about his future after winning a trophy for the club and also returning to the Champions League. But he also accepted Premier League form had been “nowhere near good enough and unacceptable”.

The Greek-born coach, who moved to Australia as a child, was Levy’s fourth permanent appointment in as many years. Jose Mourinho, Nuno Espírito Santo and Antonio Conte also had spells in the post-Mauricio Pochettino era, with only Postecoglou delivering a trophy.

Ryan Mason, who worked in Postecoglou’s backroom staff, is finalising his move to West Bromwich Albion to be head coach.

Ange Postecoglou faces D-day over Tottenham future next week

Exclusive: Australian under serious risk of sack despite ending club’s 17-year wait for silverware with Europa League triumph

www.telegraph.co.uk

I see Levy is getting brick (shock horror) online for this

But it's good management.

Both parties given a week or so to have a think what they want going forward and no rash decision

 

[Robspur12]

This is why the conversation is getting redundant (I'm sure you'd agree)...depending on your viewpoint you will either -

a) believe that such narrow focus proves nothing other than he cannot manage multiple competitions

b) believe that showing such narrow focus -and getting across the line- is the final catalyst for this group to move onto bigger things (having also reach a cup semi-final in the same season)

All other details and perspective mean little IMO at this point.

Agreed. Although there is more evidence for the first option than for the second. As much as I love the Uefa cup win, Ange let the the league go to such an extreme extent that if you are deciding his future, you are relying on hunch and emotion over hard evidence as to his likely success next season. Maybe it will pay off.

I've seen comparisons with Utd and Ten Hag. I think, on paper, Utd had a harder decision than our board face. In ETH's first season, he reached 2 finals, winning and losing 1. He finished 3rd in League. In his second season he won the FA cup beating both City and Liverpool on the way. In other words he had even more credit in the bank than Ange, and he still failed in the end.

 

[Gutter Boy]

Ange Postecoglou faces D-day over Tottenham future next week​

Mike McGrath

Ange Postecoglou’s future at Tottenham Hotspur is set to be decided next week, with sources viewing his position as under extreme risk despite winning the Europa League.

The Spurs manager, 59, delivered the club’s first silverware in 17 years but oversaw their worst-ever finish in the Premier League with 22 defeats across the campaign, leading to chairman Daniel Levy looking at other managers.

Levy has been away from the UK in the last days, while Postecoglou has been on holiday and a decision on whether to sack the Australian coach is pending. Spurs will make major changes in key departments this summer and a change of manager has been anticipated in some quarters.

Postecoglou is halfway through his four-year contract at Spurs, having joined from Celtic in 2023 and delivered a trophy in his second season, as he predicted in September.

The Spurs squad and Postecoglou celebrated with fans on an open-top bus parade after defeating Manchester United in the Europa final, with the manager insisting: “In all the best TV shows, season three is better than season two.”

But Levy has been mindful to make changes this summer after the club’s Premier League form nosedived. They suffered the most defeats by a team in a 38-game season without getting relegated. Vinai Venkatesham will take over as chief executive, while changes are expected in the medical and sport science departments.

Brentford’s Thomas Frank will be in the frame should Postecoglou depart, with the Danish coach’s work with young players at the Gtech Community Stadium admired. Fulham’s Marco Silva is also highly rated, as is Andoni Iraola although he is expected to stay at Bournemouth. Crystal Palace chairman Steve Parish, meanwhile, was adamant Oliver Glasner would stay at Selhurst Park after winning the FA Cup.

Postecoglou became only the second Spurs manager to win silverware this century with the Bilbao triumph, joining Juande Ramos, who won the League Cup in 2008.

On the final day of the season, after a 4-1 home defeat by Brighton, Postecoglou questioned why he should be asked about his future after winning a trophy for the club and also returning to the Champions League. But he also accepted Premier League form had been “nowhere near good enough and unacceptable”.

The Greek-born coach, who moved to Australia as a child, was Levy’s fourth permanent appointment in as many years. Jose Mourinho, Nuno Espírito Santo and Antonio Conte also had spells in the post-Mauricio Pochettino era, with only Postecoglou delivering a trophy.

Ryan Mason, who worked in Postecoglou’s backroom staff, is finalising his move to West Bromwich Albion to be head coach.

Ange Postecoglou faces D-day over Tottenham future next week

Exclusive: Australian under serious risk of sack despite ending club’s 17-year wait for silverware with Europa League triumph

www.telegraph.co.uk

Nudge nudge

 

[thfcsteff]

Agreed. Although there is more evidence for the first option than for the second. As much as I love the Uefa cup win, Ange let the the league go to such an extreme extent that if you are deciding his future, you are relying on hunch and emotion over hard evidence as to his likely success next season. Maybe it will pay off.

I've seen comparisons with Utd and Ten Hag. I think, on paper, Utd had a harder decision than our board face. In ETH's first season, he reached 2 finals, winning and losing 1. He finished 3rd in League. In his second season he won the FA cup beating both City and Liverpool on the way. In other words he had even more credit in the bank than Ange, and he still failed in the end.

The comparisons to Ten Haag are, IMO, highly flawed. For a start the club was not united in their vision. He was given bizarre financial backing versus there being any 'model' or plan. And so on (I'll spare us...)

I disagree on hunch and emotion vs hard evidence. I could out together stats which show how injuries have decimated any hope of rhythm. As I said, there's no point because everyone has their perspective. What I will say is there are no absolutes whatsoever.