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Ange in or out?

Ange in or out?

  • In

    Votes: 78 45.9%
  • Out

    Votes: 92 54.1%

  • Total voters
    170
I’d still sack him though
I'd build a statue of him and keep him.

For most clubs, winning trophies the aim. We've only won a trophy more prestigious than this one twice in our history. If Postecoglou's manages Spurs to our 4th European trophy then he stays for (at least) a victory parade of a season next year.
 
I'd build a statue of him and keep him.

For most clubs, winning trophies the aim. We've only won a trophy more prestigious than this one twice in our history. If Postecoglou's manages Spurs to our 4th European trophy then he stays for (at least) a victory parade of a season next year.
That different
I’d recognise him for what he has done
But I’d still sack him
He changed his ethos a few times this season and that’s him (imo) not backing himself
That’s why I’d sack him
 
What like do matteo winning the Chelsea first champions league trophy?
Unfortunately Chelsea now have a much better history than we do so he is up against lots of other serial trophy winners but yes winning Chelsea's first Champions League and the FA Cup certainly puts him up there amongst their better managers.
 
That different
I’d recognise him for what he has done
But I’d still sack him
He changed his ethos a few times this season and that’s him (imo) not backing himself
That’s why I’d sack him
You'd sack him because, at present, he hasn't won the Europa League and it still looks to be an outside bet.

Get the point of that balmy night in May and Sonny lifting the trophy and I think you would've changed your mind (I'd question you if you hadn't).

The whole point of competing is winning. We haven't won particularly often in our history, especially under these owners. If we've finally found a manager who can actually guide us to winning a proper big trophy then getting rid of him immediately would be madness.

Note that I don't expect us to win the Europa. Unfortunately those sort of good things just don't seem to happen to our club and I therefore expect Ange to be relieved of his duties at the end of the season. However, if he does happen to go all the way and win the Europa then I don't see anything other than him staying - and that would be rightly so IMO.
 
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If he wins it he's earned the right to lead us into next season. That's fair. Would I expect us to really improve? Not really as the man is wed to his ideal of how the game should be played so I don't see any way he survives long term (which would require pushing for 4th repeatedly) without a ethos switch not just a tactical one.
 
If he wins it he's earned the right to lead us into next season. That's fair. Would I expect us to really improve? Not really as the man is wed to his ideal of how the game should be played so I don't see any way he survives long term (which would require pushing for 4th repeatedly) without a ethos switch not just a tactical one.
Sad (and telling) that 'pushing for 4th repeatedly' is considered what is needed for a manager to survive long term at Spurs.
 
You'd sack him because, at present, he hasn't won the Europa League and it still looks to be an outside bet.

Get the point of that balmy night in May and Sonny lifting the trophy and I think you would've changed your mind (I'd question you if you hadn't).

The whole point of competing is winning. We haven't won particularly often in our history, especially under these owners. If we've finally found a manager who can actually guide to a proper big trophy then getting rid of him immediately would be madness.

Note that I don't expect us to win the Europa. Those sort of good things just don't seem to happen to our club unfortunately and I therefore do expect Ange to be relieved of his duties at the end of the season. However, if he does happen to go all the way and win the Europa then I don't see anything other than him staying - and that would be rightly so IMO.

Ten hag won the fa cup. Utd would have been better off sacking him after. Rather than giving him another 6 months.
Really hope that ange wins el. But longer term it would be best if we bring someone else in.
 
Sad (and telling) that 'pushing for 4th repeatedly' is considered what is needed for a manager to survive long term at Spurs.

You would hope as has been touted on here numerous times, that by winning it means the manager pushes on though because "success breeds success". Bumming about mid table and winning the odd cup is fine and we all wanna win things, but being in the CL at least proves longer term you are a better club week in week out and you challenge yourself against the best regular.........we can hope for both rather than what seems constant sneering at the ideas that we all wanna just be better.........at the minute we are not anywhere near better
 
The other night i was sat in the pub with the misses and one of the live acts started singing Angels by Robbie Williams, just over a year ago i would have sung along with it but singing the big Ange version, oh how things changed so quickly.
 
Ten hag won the fa cup. Utd would have been better off sacking him after. Rather than giving him another 6 months.
Really hope that ange wins el. But longer term it would be best if we bring someone else in.
Man Utd winning the FA Cup is not a particularly big thing, they have won about 45 major titles in their history with 20+ of them coming in the last 25 years.

Spurs winning the Europa is a massive thing. We've won 17 major trophies in our history with only 1 of them coming in the last 25 years.
 
You would hope as has been touted on here numerous times, that by winning it means the manager pushes on though because "success breeds success". Bumming about mid table and winning the odd cup is fine and we all wanna win things, but being in the CL at least proves longer term you are a better club week in week out and you challenge yourself against the best regular.........we can hope for both rather than what seems constant sneering at the ideas that we all wanna just be better.........at the minute we are not anywhere near better
If Spurs win the Europea League under Ange this season. His record would be: 5th in the PL and 1 x Europa League trophy in his two seasons. That is WAY better than finishing in 4th place and winning nothing.

Unfortunately, I don't think we can hope for better than that. Not without new ownership anyway. 4th place is the height of ambition for our current owners.
 
If Spurs win the Europea League under Ange this season. His record would be: 5th in the PL and 1 x Europa League trophy in his two seasons. That is WAY better than finishing in 4th place and winning nothing.

Unfortunately, I don't think we can hope for better than that. Not without new ownership anyway. 4th place is the height of ambition for our current owners.

Yep over a two year stretch, but if he doesn't himself use the cup win to kick on as a club and manager which IMO means also improving in the league to a minimum ask of the CL (thats not saying its better than a cup win before people drone on) then its all for nothing to an extent.

He has to do better week in week out as manager, the fact people are having to add on hypothetical cup wins proves that
 
Sad (and telling) that 'pushing for 4th repeatedly' is considered what is needed for a manager to survive long term at Spurs.
For me that means we've tightened up at the back, control games more and are playing in a more sustainable way.

That will naturally see us higher up the table. That and cup runs will see me happy enough.

A couple of seasons of that should provide a base to push on again. A club like ours is always gonna have to do it in stages.

If we finish 8th, 6th, 4th for example that would most likely evidence a manager improving season on season.
 
Yep over a two year stretch, but if he doesn't himself use the cup win to kick on as a club and manager which IMO means also improving in the league to a minimum ask of the CL (thats not saying its better than a cup win before people drone on) then its all for nothing to an extent.

He has to do better week in week out as manager, the fact people are having to add on hypothetical cup wins proves that
If he simply repeated that and went 5th place, trophy in every two seasons from then on then he would be Spurs greatest ever manager by a big margin. ;)

The hypothetical cup win is extremely pertinent to the conversation as the whole point was that if (and I agree it is a big IF) Spurs happen to win the Europa League this season then it would be madness for anything other than the manager to continue next season.
 
Lamela ranks somewhere between Andy Sinton and Darren Anderton in the history of decent Spurs players and I'd argue that he probably ranked closer to Sinton than Anderton.
Shame on you for putting Sinton and Anderton in the same sentence. Anderton was an unfortunate victim of the standard of refereeing in the 90s and some incredibly poor managerial decisions, but at some point, he was regarded as being on a par with David Beckham. He reinvented himself twice in his Spurs career and while, to some people, he will forever remain the infamous 'Sicknote', Sinton isn't fit to lace his boots. While I admit he has little to show for his efforts in a Spurs shirt, I think he's been a much more important part of the club's history than someone like Les Ferdinand, for instance.
 
Sad (and telling) that 'pushing for 4th repeatedly' is considered what is needed for a manager to survive long term at Spurs.
Being at the top end of the table is a better indicator that you are good enough to compete for trophies than being mid/lower table i would say.


I agree with @fernadez above that if Ange wins the EL he should lead us in to next season, but that would be out of curtesy rather than any belief that he will build upon it.
 
Shame on you for putting Sinton and Anderton in the same sentence. Anderton was an unfortunate victim of the standard of refereeing in the 90s and some incredibly poor managerial decisions, but at some point, he was regarded as being on a par with David Beckham. He reinvented himself twice in his Spurs career and while, to some people, he will forever remain the infamous 'Sicknote', Sinton isn't fit to lace his boots. While I admit he has little to show for his efforts in a Spurs shirt, I think he's been a much more important part of the club's history than someone like Les Ferdinand, for instance.
You might want to read my message again.... I had merely put the two of them in the same sentence to set a quality range with a lot of distance between the two players. I then said that IMO Lamela was closer in that range to Sinton than he was to Anderton.
 
Oh wow.

I need you to do a little thought experiment for me please and answer these questions honestly:

Firstly imagine you have VEGGIE tattooed or maybe carved into your Forehead.

1) you are walking down the street with your 6 year old daughter and someone in a group calls you a Veggie Cúnt. Your 6 year old turns around to you and says: “Daddy why was that man angry with you? What did he mean?

What do you say to her? What do you feel in that moment?

2) your wife is walking down the street with your half Veggie kids (they have half Veggie tattooed on their foreheads) and is called a fücking sellout slág. She comes home to you crying. How does that make you feel? What do you say to console her?

3) your sister wearing veggie dress is walking home alone is told to go back to Veggie land and her veggie scalf is thrown of the floor by a large man that she believes will physically hurt her. She comes to your home shaking she is scared, what do you say to her, how are you feeling now?

4) it’s the 5th time you have been passed over for promotion, people that are less talented than you, less hardworking less everything than you keep getting promoted ahead of you, and you know it’s because your boss hates Veggies, you have told so by a friend that he has said some very anti Veggie things, but you can’t prove anything and you need the job.

Your family is struggling financially and you could really use the money that the promotion could bring, but you are veggie and you can’t change that. How are you feeling now?

5) your family starts talking about getting kicked out of the country. It’s a real fear for them. They all have Veggie carved into their forehead and even though they sneak a bacon Sandwich partly maybe to fit in, they know to some people they will still always be Veggies and have been Told in various ways “they don’t belong in this country” they don’t speak the Veggie language and are scared of what the future may hold for them if they were forced to go back to Veggie land as they don’t like it there.

What do you say to them?

Now imagine all of that has happed to you and your family within the last 6 months.

How you feeling about things now?

Still sticks and stones?

Water off a ducks back?

Think on that for a bit before you reply, by the way all the above have happened to friends of mine. And there are many more stories.
It just doesn't happen mate. It's 2025, black people don't walk down the street and get beaten up for their colour, and black people don't get jobs because of their colour. In fact, a white person is far more likely to get assaulted in places like Brixton for being white, and companies have been put under pressure to employ minority groups. The majority of racism in this country is anti white, and that's the crazy society we live in. Try being a white person in a black country, then you can really experience racism. I don't like to use the words, but there are too many chips on too many shoulders
 
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