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Mauricio Pochettino

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Okay he has won a few games here and there. His English has improved a bit. He occasionally shows a bit of passion. So, why can't he grasp that footy is two halves? It ain't rocket science. Just start and finish strong, it ain't as exciting but it keeps people healthy.
 
Dorothy said:
Okay he has won a few games here and there. His English has improved a bit. He occasionally shows a bit of passion. So, why can't he grasp that footy is two halves? It ain't rocket science. Just start and finish strong, it ain't as exciting but it keeps people healthy.
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Clarky you old slapper, still taking pictures of old piers?
 
Dorothy said:
I'm still working on it. I got sidetracked.
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No pressure.

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Folks,

In an attempt to bring Poch discussion to one central place, I have created this thread. Ajax's point about him popping up left and right was a fair one. So here we go, Poch discussions here from now on please.
Thanks.
 
I have a very conflicted view of Poch

The good
- For a moment, he had us with that feel good feeling, that connected feeling that does not come with every manager (BMJ had it)
- For a moment, the team looked like the real deal, pretty, entertaining with just enough bite, the side no one truly wanted to play
- He absolutely helped guide the on field part of the club during a very difficult infrastructure transition that was important to the long term future of the club
- He made us contenders

The not so good
- We were "nearly there" too many times under him and didn't make the final step, he had a few chances to produce that one performance out of the team that counted and we never did.
- The youth and even established players didn't push on (Eriksen, Lamela, Rose, Dier, Dele), so many players seem to hit a peak 3 years ago and have not pushed on (Son to me is legitimately the only player that has improved each year)
- His style in the ended seemed based more on emotion and when we used it all up, we were completely broken
- Tactically seemed inflexible, once there was no prime Rose and Walker, no Dembele or Wanyama we seemed to still try to play as if we had those players over and over without success and never tried to shift the focus to the far greater attacking capabilities we had up front in AM positions (something Jose as example immediately tried before injuries blew everything up)
- He didn't want to be here in the end but still let it death spiral for his benefit at whatever cost to the team and club ...

In the end, we had 2-3 great years with him, he helped the club at a critical moment but my view is he was more of right man, right time with one of those moments where the squad was really well balanced and he got the benefit of that. It was time for him to go, and unfortunately I probably remember the end more than the best parts ..

I don't think he will go on to be some all time great manager, he is a variant of Bielsa, for a moment, for a season it will look like the real deal but it will burn out in the end ..
 
Raziel said:
I have a very conflicted view of Poch

The good
- For a moment, he had us with that feel good feeling, that connected feeling that does not come with every manager (BMJ had it)
- For a moment, the team looked like the real deal, pretty, entertaining with just enough bite, the side no one truly wanted to play
- He absolutely helped guide the on field part of the club during a very difficult infrastructure transition that was important to the long term future of the club
- He made us contenders

The not so good
- We were "nearly there" too many times under him and didn't make the final step, he had a few chances to produce that one performance out of the team that counted and we never did.
- The youth and even established players didn't push on (Eriksen, Lamela, Rose, Dier, Dele), so many players seem to hit a peak 3 years ago and have not pushed on (Son to me is legitimately the only player that has improved each year)
- His style in the ended seemed based more on emotion and when we used it all up, we were completely broken
- Tactically seemed inflexible, once there was no prime Rose and Walker, no Dembele or Wanyama we seemed to still try to play as if we had those players over and over without success and never tried to shift the focus to the far greater attacking capabilities we had up front in AM positions (something Jose as example immediately tried before injuries blew everything up)
- He didn't want to be here in the end but still let it death spiral for his benefit at whatever cost to the team and club ...

In the end, we had 2-3 great years with him, he helped the club at a critical moment but my view is he was more of right man, right time with one of those moments where the squad was really well balanced and he got the benefit of that. It was time for him to go, and unfortunately I probably remember the end more than the best parts ..

I don't think he will go on to be some all time great manager, he is a variant of Bielsa, for a moment, for a season it will look like the real deal but it will burn out in the end ..
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Pretty much my thoughts too. I also can't get past the 27 players bought on his watch with the vast majority proving lemons - but I really don't want to get in a debate about this again.
 
The best and the worst manager we've had in some time.

Worked wonders and then brick the bed, outbottling the world's biggest bottler in the process.
 
He was a good manager for Spurs. I feel that perhaps we need to consider the notion of managerial breaks. Manager gets tired and has a one year leave etc. The day to day stress of being a manager is a lot.
 
The best manager that we have had at Spurs since Terry Venables. Took us to the Champions League 4 consecutive times, thus hugely raising the profile and revenue levels of the club despite only being given the 6th highest wage budget and 17th biggest transfer budget in the country, I'm not sure any other manager could've done that and I doubt we'll see that feat matched in the next 20+ years. Poch also achieved this while getting his teams to play football that was great to watch. Not only that but he was also a likeable man who by and large behaved in the right way towards the press and match officials (Burnley away excepted - and I still think that incident must have been triggered by something said by the ref).
 
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Pirate55 said:
Pretty much my thoughts too. I also can't get past the 27 players bought on his watch with the vast majority proving lemons - but I really don't want to get in a debate about this again.
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I don't think you can make a statement about a vast majority of 27 signings being lemons without there being a debate about it really....

Here are each years transfers under Poch (I could only find 26 signings, not sure who I have missed?):
Year 1: Davies, Vorm, Dier, Yedlin, Fazio, Stambouli, Dele,
Year 2: Wimmer, Trippier, Alderweireld, N'Jie, Son
Year 3: Wanyama, Janssen, N'Koudou, Sissoko,
Year 4: Sanchez, Aurier, Gazzaniga, Foyth, Llorente, Moura
Year 5: Nobody
Year 6: N'Dombele, Lo Celso, Sessegnon, Clarke

Looking at that I don't think his record was bad at all really.

Davies, Dier, Dele, Trippier, Alderweireld, Son, Wanyama, Sissoko, Sanchez, Llorente, Moura, Lo Celso and even Ndombele (while Poch was still here) all decent players, some of them excellent.

Of the rest:
Aurier - is a decent attacking right back, better than many give credit for. He's not as good as Walker of course, but that's why Walker was a £50 million player.
Sessegnon - I think he has everything needed to be a very good player and has already shown that in patches at Spurs. I think he'll prove well with his £25 million.
Wimmer - did a reasonable job as backup for a couple of years and we then made a pretty big profit on him.
Yedlin - bought as a young punt, we made profit on him and he is now proving a decent player at Saudi Sportswashing Machine.
Vorm and Gazzaniga - are fine as back up keepers go (many PL teams have worse than those two)
Foyth - quite a few of our fans seem to like him. I don't think he is a bad player, just one who hasn't really found a position yet. I expect he'll still have a decent career in football at centre half for a decent European team.
Clarke - I don't think it is fair to class him as a 'bad' signing as surely it's still way too early to tell. There were also stories that Pochettino didn't want him at all hence the immediate loan to Leeds.

That leaves as true bad signings:
Fazio (I remember Poch actually wanting Hector Moreno but the chairman couldn't do a deal for him with Espanyol)
Stambouli (I think it was Schneiderlin that Poch actually wanted). We also still made a profit on Stambouli when selling him to PSG.
N'Jie
Janssen
N'Koudou (Pochettino actually wanted Mane)

Irrespective of whether or not Poch did or didn't want those 'bad' players above they actually only lost us about £20 million in total. A drop in the ocean really in the wider scheme of things.

That actually isn't a majority of lemons at all, even if you shift some of those in the 'Of the rest' list down a notch in to the 'bad signings' group.
 
afsoc4life said:
He was a good manager for Spurs. I feel that perhaps we need to consider the notion of managerial breaks. Manager gets tired and has a one year leave etc. The day to day stress of being a manager is a lot.
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I think the stress is incredible, but that is what separates the good from the great, the ones that can stand the day in, day out, year in, year out.

Not only do you have to bear the stress, but you need to want to "turn up" every day, in the end Poch didn't want to be here ..
 
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