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Ian Walker
After United winning the FA Cup and sacking their manager it got me to wondering where people stand with what they want from a team. Many have said on here that they would rather win a cup than qualify for CL, would they have swapped our season for United's? Some will say LVG deserved the sack because of the way his team played but I always take that with a pinch of salt as I find most fans today are more concerned about results rather than performance, sure we all want to see beautiful football but most will take a win whatever happens on the pitch. There will be some bang on about our tradition of playing entertaining football, that may be our aim but in nearly 60 years I've been going I've seen some dire stuff. I've enjoyed this season despite the disappointing end and look forward to playing in the CL next season.
 
I think identity and a sense of purpose are what's most important, rather than fixed targets per se

I would definitely rather win the FA Cup than finish 2nd-4th.

But I wouldn't swap our season for United's, as we have a really endearing squad/setup that's at the start of very big things. Whereas they have got massive structural and cultural issues and are in a cycle of decline.

It's a bit like c.1991 - we are now them and they are now Liverpool.
 
Gutter Boy said:
I think identity and a sense of purpose are what's most important, rather than fixed targets per se

I would definitely rather win the FA Cup than finish 2nd-4th.

But I wouldn't swap our season for United's, as we have a really endearing squad/setup that's at the start of very big things. Whereas they have got massive structural and cultural issues and are in a cycle of decline.

It's a bit like c.1991 - we are now them and they are now Liverpool.
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I wish
 
I'd MUCH rather watch us play exciting, entertaining, mostly winning football like we did all season and come up short than play the kind of dreary stuff United served up and win a second rate trophy (which for my money is what the FA Cup is nowadays).

If I'm not being entertained I've got much better things to do with my time.
 
Ultimately to see us win the European Cup, in the shorter term I want to see progress to that end.
 
galeforce said:
Ultimately to see us win the European Cup, in the shorter term I want to see progress to that end.
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What would you prefer if offered one in the next 5 years would definitely happen: to win the PL or not win the PL but win a CL (a la Liverpool)?
 
A club that takes its primary job, the league, seriously, rather than just flounder about and have the the odd cup run. You have no control over what happens in a cup, you can easily draw the best side in it in the first round. The league is what pays the bills. We still get to enter the cups, but if we haven't got the squad depth, something has to give.

Try to improve year on year. As long as we're showing progress, that's all we can ask for. What will be will be.
 
Gutter Boy said:
I think the CL has become a bit devalued by crap teams like Liverpool and Matteo's Chelsea winning it.
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I agree to the point of how I see football, I am an old romantic in that sense, remember reading Italia 92/93 season books with Gazza in them and seeing the outcome of European Cup, Red Star, Steau, Rangers, AC, Real, PSG etc etc and I think, GHod I would have loved to have won that then. That said I still would, but I can hand on heart say I am not as bothered, I have lost alot of love for football, not Spurs, but football.

I suppose because of the enemies we have, the one sided green eyed monsters, I would love to win the league and just for 5 mins stick it to the haters.
 
I want to see us win something. Let me put it this way, if we focused solely on the league, exiting the cup competitions early and thus making, say, 5th place (which is sort of what we should expect every season as a minimum) with 70-odd points, I'd be more disappointed than if we finished 8th but won a cup, any cup. We would have met our minimum targets, yes, but the season would have been ephemeral, with literally nothing to recommend it as one worth especially remembering beyond 'we did the minimum in the league'.

Winning a trophy, however, would make it a mightily memorable season, whatever happens. We're not Bayern, Barca or Real, where a trophy every season is the bare minimum (anything less likely gets managers fired and players sold); for us, every trophy counts, because relative to our rivals (who have zoomed past us in overall trophies over the last 25 years), we don't win much at all. And, besides that, the way to dispel the 'Lads, it's Tottenham' jibe isn't to do what we did in the league (since, as we've seen, even genuinely good teams still suffer from chronic S.p.u.r.s.i.n.e.s.s), but to win things, beat teams in cup finals with pressure on the players and silverware on the line, and develop a true winning mentality that way, if we can. It's infintely preferable to trying to develop a real winning mentality by aiming for 4th or 5th every season, which only gets you so far.
 
Grays_1890 said:
I agree to the point of how I see football, I am an old romantic in that sense, remember reading Italia 92/93 season books with Gazza in them and seeing the outcome of European Cup, Red Star, Steau, Rangers, AC, Real, PSG etc etc and I think, GHod I would have loved to have won that then. That said I still would, but I can hand on heart say I am not as bothered, I have lost alot of love for football, not Spurs, but football.

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I have to admit this is my feeling as well, I hate the way/what football is now and if it was not for having Spurs in my heart I would have walked away from the game before now.

And I say that after playing it, working in it and watching it for most of my life.
 
Win the League. Champion's League is secondary. The other two comps are a day out for the fans and nothing else. No club takes them seriously until the semi finals.
 
Modric THFC said:
Win the League. Champion's League is secondary. The other two comps are a day out for the fans and nothing else. No club takes them seriously until the semi finals.
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So, we have a thirty-five year wait until 2051 and a forty-five year wait until 2061 for our next two trophies worth winning, since that's the rate at which we tend to accumulate them. The 8 FA Cups, 4 League Cups, 2 UEFA Cups, Cup Winners' Cup, 7 Charity Shields....all just days out for the fans, eh?

What's funny is that the same massive clubs that apparently don't take the domestic cups seriously still tend to win them in about 8 years out of every ten.
 
DubaiSpur said:
So, we have a thirty-five year wait until 2051 and a forty-five year wait until 2061 for our next two trophies worth winning, since that's the rate at which we tend to accumulate them. The 8 FA Cups, 4 League Cups, 2 UEFA Cups, Cup Winners' Cup, 7 Charity Shields....all just days out for the fans, eh?

What's funny is that the same massive clubs that apparently don't take the domestic cups seriously still tend to win them in about 8 years out of every ten.
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League finishes of the last 10 Cup winners
5th
3th
4th
18th
6th
3rd
1st
3rd
8th
2nd

Its usually a consolation for a team that fudges up in the league who turns up to beat the likes of Palace, Villa, Hull, Stoke, Portsmouth, Everton or Cardiff.

Back in the day it was huge thing worth winning, as prestigious as the league itself. Its really not now.
 
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