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What are the differences between Spurs and arsenal?
- Thread starter SpurMeUp
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Wenger is the difference. He is an amazing manager and if it wasn't for the oil rich clubs coming into play, he'd have won a few more league titles and FA Cups the past few years. No matter who they sell, they keep coming back and it's because of him.
Unfortunately, we aren't better than them in any department. All we can learn is, if we get a genius coach, keep him and let him do his thing. As yet, we haven't had a genius pass through the door -- not one who'd win the double in his second season anyway!
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
1) Wenger cf all our ****e managers
2) Dein/PHW cf Sugar at the start of the EPL era
3) A ground nearly twice as big as ours
Most importantly though is they had a visionary manager with a plan and have backed him
2) Dein/PHW cf Sugar at the start of the EPL era
3) A ground nearly twice as big as ours
Most importantly though is they had a visionary manager with a plan and have backed him
SpurMeUp
Les Howe
Money vs Shrew Transfer Dealing
Staunch Stability vs Yearly Upheaval
Passing and shape vs Dribbling and greater Physicality
There are many other things of course. But for me the biggest difference is that they are a well drilled stable team unit. Each player knows his role as part of a complete unit. The team shape, where each other will be, and they can play without looking or thinking. They know there will be movement and can slot a ball into space without waiting for a runner. We on the other hand are a new unsettled team.
Which is actually encouraging. I think we have the playing talent to go toe to toe with them. But not that stability and playing system in place. If we could pass and move with 70% of their ability, we'd be an awesome side. They do not have the dribbling ability we have all over the team and probably lack some of our physical size and strength. We'll see if Sherwood can install that team system and develop a mentality, and if he's given time, we'll see if Sherwood is a match for wenger.
Staunch Stability vs Yearly Upheaval
Passing and shape vs Dribbling and greater Physicality
There are many other things of course. But for me the biggest difference is that they are a well drilled stable team unit. Each player knows his role as part of a complete unit. The team shape, where each other will be, and they can play without looking or thinking. They know there will be movement and can slot a ball into space without waiting for a runner. We on the other hand are a new unsettled team.
Which is actually encouraging. I think we have the playing talent to go toe to toe with them. But not that stability and playing system in place. If we could pass and move with 70% of their ability, we'd be an awesome side. They do not have the dribbling ability we have all over the team and probably lack some of our physical size and strength. We'll see if Sherwood can install that team system and develop a mentality, and if he's given time, we'll see if Sherwood is a match for wenger.
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Jurgen the German
Erik Thorstvedt
Dza hit the tickle my balls with a feather, Wenger has instilled a style of play which means they can afford to lose a Van Persie or Fabregas and still get by.
Another big difference, they score more late goals than any other team in the league and always have done whereas we used to concede late goals until the last couple of seasons. Clubs like United and Arsenal just don't accept mediocrity, they play until the final whistle, they've got a winning mentality.
After 15 years of being ****, it still to this day hangs over our head. You only shake that by winning trophies and becoming a great team as Emirates Marketing Project did. Even last season and the season before that, be honest, you knew it would go wrong eventually didn't you?
Another big difference, they score more late goals than any other team in the league and always have done whereas we used to concede late goals until the last couple of seasons. Clubs like United and Arsenal just don't accept mediocrity, they play until the final whistle, they've got a winning mentality.
After 15 years of being ****, it still to this day hangs over our head. You only shake that by winning trophies and becoming a great team as Emirates Marketing Project did. Even last season and the season before that, be honest, you knew it would go wrong eventually didn't you?
Honestly -> stability and income (15+ years of CL, now with larger stadium)
The problem is (and everyone will be here sucking Wenger's ****), they also highlight how badly the system is broken, and why, we must be aware of it and not destroy our club trying to compete in a system that is completely broken.
The Scum have a good manager, good income, established style of play, have had 1 or 2 WC players as a general rule, pay double our wages and have managed to barely scrape past us in the last few seasons (1 point), haven't won (or really looked like winning) anything in 8 seasons, and they have had to sell multiple players they didn't want to.
In my opinion, they will have the system/stability we strive for, have CL football (income and attraction) bought a 42M players, pay at least 50% more in wages and at best will finish 3rd.
It's really sad, I hate the basterds and will laugh my ass off when they drop out of CL and finish 3rd, but it also just validates how broken the system is.
The problem is (and everyone will be here sucking Wenger's ****), they also highlight how badly the system is broken, and why, we must be aware of it and not destroy our club trying to compete in a system that is completely broken.
The Scum have a good manager, good income, established style of play, have had 1 or 2 WC players as a general rule, pay double our wages and have managed to barely scrape past us in the last few seasons (1 point), haven't won (or really looked like winning) anything in 8 seasons, and they have had to sell multiple players they didn't want to.
In my opinion, they will have the system/stability we strive for, have CL football (income and attraction) bought a 42M players, pay at least 50% more in wages and at best will finish 3rd.
It's really sad, I hate the basterds and will laugh my ass off when they drop out of CL and finish 3rd, but it also just validates how broken the system is.
Jurgen the German
Erik Thorstvedt
You can see how much their players dislike us, can we really say the same about our players?
More techincally gifted players.
More players who are goal threats.
More techincally gifted players.
More players who are goal threats.
Wenger always gets them up for this game. It's a constant disappointment how timid we are, time after time against them. I don't just mean in terms of attacking them, but in the way we tackle and get about them. We need a bit more of the VdV mentality.
Jurgen the German
Erik Thorstvedt
Don't even get me started on VDV. He was the one ****ing player who got the rivarly.
It's the same performance every time we go there, play nice pretty football for a while, start off ok but don't create or threten enough and just look gutless.
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Wenger makes most of his players into ****s, he likes breeding that mentality, can you honestly think of many Scum players who you would say "he's a decent guy"? they all play to the masses as seen by their idiot activities on twitter/etc.
Disagree with the gifted players bit, Ozil is obviously a step above, but not a lot between quite a few of theirs/ours, same for goal threats (Walker/Lennon/Vert/Vlad/Holtby/Eriksen/list goes on), we have had seasons even on BMJ where 16+ players have scored. It's the system/plan to create the opportunities that is there, they do have more creative midfield than us, but it's a compromise of being less physically imposing (shows up against bigger sides)
africanspurs
Justin Edinburgh
continuity, the system, the type of players etc
wenger came in ahead of the curve in england ..established dominance and arsenal have been reaping that early surge ever since.
we really caught up to them over the last 5 years BUT not quite able to get over the last hurdle.
all we can learn from them is that technical players that are able to play a fast paced , transition and counter attacking game are always going to be deadly
speaking of which, am getting ****ed off being scored on by crosses in the counter attack in Fifa 14
wenger came in ahead of the curve in england ..established dominance and arsenal have been reaping that early surge ever since.
we really caught up to them over the last 5 years BUT not quite able to get over the last hurdle.
all we can learn from them is that technical players that are able to play a fast paced , transition and counter attacking game are always going to be deadly
speaking of which, am getting ****ed off being scored on by crosses in the counter attack in Fifa 14
SteveAWOL
Chris Jones
25 years ago there weren't much difference... then Sir Alan Sugar became our chairman and Tottenham was turned into mid-table club who declined the chance to sign "Carlos Kickabout" Bergkamp in order to purchase the likes of Chris Armstrong... whilst David Dein takes Glenn Hoddle' advice to make Wenger their manager, Sir Alan goes for the likes of Christian Gross and our managers' office has had a revolving door ever since... ARSEnal build a state of the art training ground to help improve their players plus a brand new 60k stadium which increased their turnover by around £50m per year, whilst we get the Lodge and our ground capacity remains the same... the gap is finally narrowing but Levy hasn't quite closed it yet...
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Bedfordspurs
Mark Falco
£49m reasons
Seriously for a club to pay that much more and have such a small difference is.... Well actually not great
For both clubs flaws we both live within our means but that because they charge the most of why side in the world!!!!!
And we charge a lot of money regardless
Bit in respect of your argument/question... They pay on average a £1m a week more than us in wages
Seriously for a club to pay that much more and have such a small difference is.... Well actually not great
For both clubs flaws we both live within our means but that because they charge the most of why side in the world!!!!!
And we charge a lot of money regardless
Bit in respect of your argument/question... They pay on average a £1m a week more than us in wages
indospurs
Young-Pyo Lee
Sooo much expectation, very little delivered - you could say we both suffer it, us more so.
Club set up in general; they've had more stability with managers in the last three decades, and le wenger has got them playing a passing style everyone envies - and I do include Barca during the height of their tiki taka effectiveness. We play with flair but lack effectiveness, that's based on decision making throughout the team - under Arry we could at times really flow, but without controlling ebb and flow, sometimes our players look so far apart. It was a bit like that last night under Tim but I think we looked slightly more compact. AvB had us really tight, but our back four quality is just lacking a touch. I keep longing for a King-Woodgate type pairing, that was just heavenly.
Club set up in general; they've had more stability with managers in the last three decades, and le wenger has got them playing a passing style everyone envies - and I do include Barca during the height of their tiki taka effectiveness. We play with flair but lack effectiveness, that's based on decision making throughout the team - under Arry we could at times really flow, but without controlling ebb and flow, sometimes our players look so far apart. It was a bit like that last night under Tim but I think we looked slightly more compact. AvB had us really tight, but our back four quality is just lacking a touch. I keep longing for a King-Woodgate type pairing, that was just heavenly.
SpurMeUp
Les Howe
Imo that video is interesting. The obvious conclusion is - Spurs ingrained mentality is wrong - that is why we lost. Typical Spurs performance.
Now this is why Roy Keane is failed football manager. He, probably like Mr Dubai (are you in Canada by the way? Did you live in Dubai?), understandably feel that if you change the mentality, you'd change the club and start winning. Overnight.
A better manager than Keane understands that a winning mentality is built. Built upon...well winning primarily. Winning games through footballing ability. Galvanizing team as you go, not putting up with substandard performances and whittling out those who don't put themselves on the line are key. But toughness and success can not be distilled and simply injected into players.
If you look at the nasty incidents in today's game, Spurs players were far more aggressive. I just don't buy this we're too nice. They won because they were the better footballing team.
Now this is why Roy Keane is failed football manager. He, probably like Mr Dubai (are you in Canada by the way? Did you live in Dubai?), understandably feel that if you change the mentality, you'd change the club and start winning. Overnight.
A better manager than Keane understands that a winning mentality is built. Built upon...well winning primarily. Winning games through footballing ability. Galvanizing team as you go, not putting up with substandard performances and whittling out those who don't put themselves on the line are key. But toughness and success can not be distilled and simply injected into players.
If you look at the nasty incidents in today's game, Spurs players were far more aggressive. I just don't buy this we're too nice. They won because they were the better footballing team.
Jurgen the German
Erik Thorstvedt
Ozil gets goals, Ramsey will get double figures, Cazorla, Podolski and Walcott all chip in with their share.
Compare that to us, Lennon gets 4-5 goals a season, Dembele gets about 3, Holtby hasn't scored league goal yet, Our midfielders don't score enough.
WestBerkshire
Noé Pamarot
Wages.