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Salary Issue

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Neil Sullivan
Hi

Wondered if you lads can give me some info.

I have been at my company for 7 years

Finally got a promotion after trying for a year. Its a nice promotion and will improve my skill set and potentially give me an opportunity to apply for a job outside the company on much more money.

I spoke to 2 other previous colleagues who have been at the company 3 or 4 years but have been promoted to the same position as i am on now. They got their promo about a year ago.

They both have less experience than me but when they got promoted they got offered 2k more than me!

I think they take your current basic salary and add a percentage to it then offer you the new wage. So my 2 previous colleagues may have already have been on more money than me before the promotion.

I am somewhat disappointed that i have 7 years experience and a proven track in that time.. YET these 2 other people are going to be earning 2k more than me. Doesn't sound right and im tempted to turn the job down.

Its a sales job so its very structured when it comes to pay and bonuses. My new boss has said that its his best offer and he knows people on the same level as him that earn more.

Now... should I just accept and gain the experience.

Negotiate again even tho the boss said its his best offer.

All i know is i am really tinkled off and disappointed. Its not the first time they have offered me less money. Once i left the company for 6 months for more money. I came back they said if i do well in the first 3 months they will put me on the wage i was on at my new company. Stupidly i didnt get it in writing and when the time came the boss who told me was no longer the boss. Thats another story tho.
 
How do you know what the others are on? I know sometimes its easy to know the range etc especially when companies advertise but still, It's pretty sh**y for it to be common knowledge! Can only do more harm than good.
Would you have been happy with the new offer if you hadn't of known?

Also, if it means you can do a year, add the promotion/experience to your CV then bugger off somewhere else and earn a lot more then is it worth it? I guess you have to weigh it up.



EDIT: Just to add, 2k isn't a great deal when it comes to monthly take home pay. Would you be able to take a much bigger increase once you have this experience. A lot of people I know change jobs every 2 years just cos they can negotiate stupidly better salary increases than hanging around at once place getting a couple of percent each year. Although it depends on the industry etc
 
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I asked the 2 people and they told me. One owes me a favour so i know she isnt fibbing. Its not really common knowledge.

I am kind of scared to go anywhere else now. I did it once and it was terrible.. hated the new job so went back into my old job.

Maybe thats my problem.. i have stayed here for way to long.

I think i will try to negotiate one more time and if its a no i will take the job. I know it will be good for me in the long run
 
Would it cost you more than 2K to train/learn the skill set to enable you to leave for a better paid job? I think if you break it down, 2K over 12 months less tax isn't really a massive amount as long as you focus on the final goal, a better paid job
 
2k is about £100 a month extra.

Would def cost more to train but its more the fact the people i will be working with.

Instead of dealing with receptionists, admin people i will be speaking to directors, professional buyers, facility managers etc. that experience will look good on my cv. The accounts i will be working with are international accounts.. big corporate companies like Nike etc, rather than two bob companies.
 
Simple fact is, your company will pay you what they believe they can get away with

Sometimes you need to threaten a move in order to get the cash you want

A £2K rise won't even dent the inflation we're all going to see over the coming months and years
 
A friend of mine was promised a pay rise 3 months ago. He just a had meeting with his boss who said he forgot to mention it to his boss! He looking elsewhere. The market is crap at the mo, so bite your lip and try and erase the fact that two colleagues are earning more than you. Experience you get now, will reap dividends later. There are lots of people just hanging onto jobs at the mo where there clearly isnt much work to be done.
 
I'd be wary of threatening to change jobs unless it was something I intended to follow through. However, it doesn't do any harm if you can ask in a friendly way and make the point about your experience with the company and how others are earning more (assuming you trust the source).

But I can't help think you have answered your own question. If the experience you gain is as valuable to your future as you think, take the job and ask for the raise next year, when you can look elsewhere in a stronger position.
 
Better the devil you know, especially over £2k......

Take the job, smash it and earn a shed load of commission and get the experience. Then when you have suitors from the competition hit them with it and if they don't counter do one.

I've had a 7% pay rise in 5 years due to the recession.......i've bided my time and I'm now at final stage for a job that will give me a £25k pay rise. The long game is always the game to play my friend.
 
I'm in a similar situation and my company has messed me about loads, they keep promising a raise and then not following through with it giving me various excuses instead. I was promoted to a Senior service desk technician and told that I would get more money but they can't process the raise at the moment because the company is being sold so I'm currently waiting on that one, I'll believe it's going to happen when I see it in the bank and not a moment before.

The problem you've got is that you've been there on a lower salary for 7 years and not made any noise about being unhappy about it or thinking of leaving to get your full worth so what incentive do they have to pay what you want? They can be fairly confident that if they turn down your request you'll most likely stay anyway.

Your best option to force their hand is to find another position that's paying what you want and then tell them to match it or you leave. It's risky of course as they could just wave you goodbye, if you are not willing to leave then you may have to just put up with it for a while.

If you do stay make it known that you believe you are worth more but that you'll take it for the moment but let them know that you want it to be reviewed in 6 months. Also keep asking for meetings with your line manager and asking what you need to do to get to the next level. Unfortunately in this world it's not the person that works the hardest or is the best at the job who gets paid the most, it's the person that makes the most noise, that's my experience anyway.
 
But you need to play the long game sometimes, work out the best strategy for YOU and be smart.

Get the experience that competitors will VALUE....then get a firm offer and hey presto! :)
 
The only person is a woman and getting paid more than you? Claim sexual discrimination. I have no doubt a number of women would do exactly that if the roles were reversed.

My honest opinion is that people need to swallow their pride when it comes to comparing salary, especially when it is a trivial amount like £2k/year. As someone else said, depending on your tax band that could be as little as £100/month, is that really worth turning down a promotion for?

Just throwing it out there but you say these two others have been with the company less time than you but got promoted a year ago, maybe they are just better at the job and can command a higher salary? No offence intended, just mentioning it.

Thirdly, and perhaps the most likely of the scenarios, maybe the others got promoted at a time when the company was doing better and could afford to offer them more with the promotion. Now perhaps the company has seen a slight downturn and would like to give you the same amount but cannot justify it in the current climate.
 
Thanks for all the replies.

I am going to try and ask for a bit more money... if not i will still take the job

Thing is at my company its very structured.

Hit Sales and margin for 3 months and you get a pay increase. When i first started they used to pay less when you joined. So i was on less than someone entering the company 2 years ago are put on. I also think they give you 10%-15% increase on promotion so the 2 other people on more money than me must have been on a higher basic to start with.

It hurts a bit but im confident in my ability and i will hit my targets are increase my pay!
 
If you haven't already asked, personally I would ask (if they turn down the initial negotiation) if you can have a guaranteed £2/parity rise in the contract when you fulfil your 6 month probation (assuming the role has this).

Deferred gratification - put off rewards now, for greater rewards later (or the long game as northern monkey puts it).
 
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