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Religion/work

Spursman

Neil Sullivan
Hi girls

I was after some advise. I know the people on this forum are quite knowledgable.

My girlfriend has decided that she wants to convert to the same religion as me.

She works for a well know hardware store part time. 3 days a week that involve a Saturday shift. She is always covering people's shifts so usually ends up having more hours to do.

The religious process involves being avilable at least 2 or 3 Saturdays a month.

Se has asked if its possible to move her Saturday shift to Sunday perminantly but they have refused. They have told her everyone needs to work some Saturdays which is fair enough.

Meanwhile there are 2 other members of staff who she knows don't work on Saturdays so she asked her boss if either if them could change shifts occasionally. She was told by the manager that the 2 people are a couple and if one of them works on a Saturday they would have no time together!

So she has to work every Saturday because 2 people who are also part time apparently won't be able to spend time together! Other people in the store also don't want to switch shifts with her.

So she suggested if one of her colleagues who just does 1 Sunday a week can change occasionally with her. The Sunday girl agreed and it was sorted and the boss said fine.

Now the boss is saying he won't do that as he has to think of the store budget etc. he is saying that the Sunday girl now has to work an extra hour.

He told my girlfriend that if she doesn't want to work Saturday she has to drop her hours and she won't be able to make it up anywhere else in the week. She can't afford to do that.

It seems to me that the manager is doing all he can to not help her out. She is doing it for religious reasons but the 2 people who could easily work Saturday are allowed not to as they won't be able to spend time together if one of them works on Saturday.

There seems to be no compromise. Basically drop her hours and lose money or lump it.

What can be done?
 
Fight the power. They'll be tinkle scared of bad publicity on religious grounds if they don't sort it...
 
Follows the rules, or get a new job?

Perhaps make a final decision on the religion before committing to working hours though.

This has made me chuckle.
 
Her decision is made.

New job is an option but that's not easy right now either.

I just wondered legally if they are allowed to do what they are doing.
 
So you don't think you're taking the tinkle at all?

Seriously mate. Grow up.

We are living through the toughest times generations have ever seen.

Somebody has decided to CHANGE religion, and you think the world owes them something.

This thread is a fudging joke.
 
What u on about?? She isn't asking for much is she? Couple of Saturdays off a month hardly asking for the world to change.

Point I'm making is why can someone not have to work Saturdays based on the couple not seeing eachother. Why is it ok for them but not for her to change shifts ? Seems unfair.

If u think the thread is a joke then don't read or comment on it. Simple as that.

You may not have belief in something but some people do. A small compromise isn't too much to ask
 
Hi girls

I was after some advise. I know the people on this forum are quite knowledgable.

My girlfriend has decided that she wants to convert to the same religion as me.

She works for a well know hardware store part time. 3 days a week that involve a Saturday shift. She is always covering people's shifts so usually ends up having more hours to do.

The religious process involves being avilable at least 2 or 3 Saturdays a month.

Se has asked if its possible to move her Saturday shift to Sunday perminantly but they have refused. They have told her everyone needs to work some Saturdays which is fair enough.

Meanwhile there are 2 other members of staff who she knows don't work on Saturdays so she asked her boss if either if them could change shifts occasionally. She was told by the manager that the 2 people are a couple and if one of them works on a Saturday they would have no time together!

So she has to work every Saturday because 2 people who are also part time apparently won't be able to spend time together! Other people in the store also don't want to switch shifts with her.

So she suggested if one of her colleagues who just does 1 Sunday a week can change occasionally with her. The Sunday girl agreed and it was sorted and the boss said fine.

Now the boss is saying he won't do that as he has to think of the store budget etc. he is saying that the Sunday girl now has to work an extra hour.

He told my girlfriend that if she doesn't want to work Saturday she has to drop her hours and she won't be able to make it up anywhere else in the week. She can't afford to do that.

It seems to me that the manager is doing all he can to not help her out. She is doing it for religious reasons but the 2 people who could easily work Saturday are allowed not to as they won't be able to spend time together if one of them works on Saturday.

There seems to be no compromise. Basically drop her hours and lose money or lump it.

What can be done?

Is she aware that conversion takes 7 years??
 
It's not an orthodox conversion.

It's Masorti which is 12 - 18 months.

Surely She should still keep Shabbes even for a Masorti conversion, and that means each and every Shabbes. Back to your original question, I would have thought that it would have been easier to get a Saturday off than a Sunday. That said a new Job that doesn't mean working on a Shabbes will probably make the whole conversion process more meaningful.
 
So you don't think you're taking the tinkle at all?

Seriously mate. Grow up.

We are living through the toughest times generations have ever seen.

Somebody has decided to CHANGE religion, and you think the world owes them something.

This thread is a fudging joke.

Really no need for this kind of response, if you have nothing constructive to add, why be an arse?
 
Surely She should still keep Shabbes even for a Masorti conversion, and that means each and every Shabbes. Back to your original question, I would have thought that it would have been easier to get a Saturday off than a Sunday. That said a new Job that doesn't mean working on a Shabbes will probably make the whole conversion process more meaningful.

Yes you are right. Ideally every sat should be free but as it can't be we are trying to compromise but the company she works for doesnt seem to be. A new job is the best option as she can't afford just to drop those hours nor should she have to.
 
If her boss is letting her having the Saturdays off, but refusing to replace the hours with another time during the week, then I think that's the bare minimum he can be expected to.

It's a dingdonghead move but I can't see how he's doing anything wrong as such.
 
the religion angle is irrelevant, there is no difference between asking for a day off to pray and asking the same to go to a football match

the boss is only being a dingdong if none of the proposed changes which your lady has come up with don't have any effect, its not just about hours being covered in the store its about health and safety as well, they'll have to have the correct number of fire wardens and first aiders on each shift and as a business they'll have to ensure that no part time employee exceeds the allowed hours for tax reasons

also, one aside, would you be able to ask the religion to be flexible to fit in around her job?
 
Thanks for the input.

Yes we have asked the religion to compromise. They have by not asking her to come every week.

Seems as if there is nothing we can do. Just going to have to find a way round it.

Thanks again
 
Thanks for the input.

Yes we have asked the religion to compromise. They have by not asking her to come every week.

Seems as if there is nothing we can do. Just going to have to find a way round it.

Thanks again

Good luck with it, it is apparently a testing process but one t hat will be worth it when you stand under the Chuppah together!
 
So you don't think you're taking the tinkle at all?

Seriously mate. Grow up.

We are living through the toughest times generations have ever seen.

Somebody has decided to CHANGE religion, and you think the world owes them something.

This thread is a ****ing joke.

You're the joke - and not a funny one - with your pathetic, immature and supercilious response.
 
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