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Luka Vuskovic

He has a hell of a shot on him....
I knew he was dangerous in the air, but I wasn't expecting to see all those shots from distance.

It does look ( from highlight...) like he could play anywhere on the pitch.
 
wow that bicycle kick.
he could be our auxillary striker and Plan B when teams just sit deep
or angeball revolution - inverted centrebacks
 
El Dante said:
He’s going to be huge isn’t he. Everything said about him suggests that he will be a massively talented player in the future. With Kinsky, Bergvall, Gray and Vuskovic we are building the future of football.
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It's the piece that has gone under the radar with all the other brickshow happening

Kinsky, Bergvall, Gray, Vuskovich, potentially Tel, supported by Udogie, Sarr & Moore is a hell of an U21 group

And we just added a new group of purchases, whoever is doing this identifying and getting them before the other clubs is doing a hell of a job.
 
Raziel said:
It's the piece that has gone under the radar with all the other brickshow happening

Kinsky, Bergvall, Gray, Vuskovich, potentially Tel, supported by Udogie, Sarr & Moore is a hell of an U21 group

And we just added a new group of purchases, whoever is doing this identifying and getting them before the other clubs is doing a hell of a job.
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Yes our very dark cloud has a thick silver lining.
 
Raziel said:
It's the piece that has gone under the radar with all the other brickshow happening

Kinsky, Bergvall, Gray, Vuskovich, potentially Tel, supported by Udogie, Sarr & Moore is a hell of an U21 group

And we just added a new group of purchases, whoever is doing this identifying and getting them before the other clubs is doing a hell of a job.
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At the risk of sounding negative.....

Getting some young players in for big money isn't a brilliant achievement in of itself. If we can work out a strategy where these young players contribute towards something that resembles a successful season then jobs a dream, we should definitely be singing the praises of the person making the signings. But at the minute, it's a big spend which gets even bigger if we get Tel on a permanent contract. Add in Veliz whilst we're at it, and the new South Korean. They may come good along with Vuskovic, or they may just end up being Gio Dos Santos flash in the pan signings.

Folks like to take the tinkle out of the constant mention of Arsenal playing young players. I'm not saying we shouldn't be buying younger players, it'll just feel better in a time where we aren't total brick on the pitch, even if we can say "Actually we've got a really young team so it's to be expected but just wait until xxxxx hits his peak in 6 seasons time". It looks a lot better if you've got senior players that you'd want the youngsters learning from, we don't appear to have enough of those types tbh
 
spurspinter1 said:
At the risk of sounding negative.....

Getting some young players in for big money isn't a brilliant achievement in of itself. If we can work out a strategy where these young players contribute towards something that resembles a successful season then jobs a dream, we should definitely be singing the praises of the person making the signings. But at the minute, it's a big spend which gets even bigger if we get Tel on a permanent contract. Add in Veliz whilst we're at it, and the new South Korean. They may come good along with Vuskovic, or they may just end up being Gio Dos Santos flash in the pan signings.

Folks like to take the tinkle out of the constant mention of Arsenal playing young players. I'm not saying we shouldn't be buying younger players, it'll just feel better in a time where we aren't total brick on the pitch, even if we can say "Actually we've got a really young team so it's to be expected but just wait until xxxxx hits his peak in 6 seasons time". It looks a lot better if you've got senior players that you'd want the youngsters learning from, we don't appear to have enough of those types tbh
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I think it is fair to say we have had young youngsters up to now. Last season our centre half options in an injury crisis, Phillips and Dorrington, were 18 years old. If that happens next season they'll be twenty year olds. In Phillips case he would have completed 2 Championship loans and hopefully be way more ready for 1st team action.

It won't be so long before we have a clutch of U21s who are actually 20 or 21.
 
Muttley said:
I think it is fair to say we have had young youngsters up to now. Last season our centre half options in an injury crisis, Phillips and Dorrington, were 18 years old. If that happens next season they'll be twenty year olds. In Phillips case he would have completed 2 Championship loans and hopefully be way more ready for 1st team action.

It won't be so long before we have a clutch of U21s who are actually 20 or 21.
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I haven't said "We've never had young youngsters before" (,although i'm not exactly sure of the parameters for that ratger quirky phrase), it's a new thing spending so much on young talent and that's a fair enough route to take but it's only impressive if we can achieve something va this route - the nobility of this endeavor isn't enough by itself.

Wasn't it Davies and Royal who came in and excelled during another self inflicted personell crisis? Dorrington is a kid who had struggled getting on the pitch for Dundee (or whoever).

Edit - I meant last season in regards to the above.
 
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spurspinter1 said:
At the risk of sounding negative.....

Getting some young players in for big money isn't a brilliant achievement in of itself. If we can work out a strategy where these young players contribute towards something that resembles a successful season then jobs a dream, we should definitely be singing the praises of the person making the signings. But at the minute, it's a big spend which gets even bigger if we get Tel on a permanent contract. Add in Veliz whilst we're at it, and the new South Korean. They may come good along with Vuskovic, or they may just end up being Gio Dos Santos flash in the pan signings.

Folks like to take the tinkle out of the constant mention of Arsenal playing young players. I'm not saying we shouldn't be buying younger players, it'll just feel better in a time where we aren't total brick on the pitch, even if we can say "Actually we've got a really young team so it's to be expected but just wait until xxxxx hits his peak in 6 seasons time". It looks a lot better if you've got senior players that you'd want the youngsters learning from, we don't appear to have enough of those types tbh
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We have the senior players for them to learn from, the prob is that they are injured (and not interested in a debate on whether it's Anges fault or not). Gray, Bergvall, and to a lesser extent Moore, will learn a lot from this season, with or without those senior players around them. I think it's a pretty safe bet that those 3 will be top players. If even half of the rest make it then we will be in a good place.
 
DubSpur said:
We have the senior players for them to learn from, the prob is that they are injured (and not interested in a debate on whether it's Anges fault or not). Gray, Bergvall, and to a lesser extent Moore, will learn a lot from this season, with or without those senior players around them. I think it's a pretty safe bet that those 3 will be top players. If even half of the rest make it then we will be in a good place.
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You can still learn from injured players, but perhaps you mean being guided through games? I can see Romero giving a good TED talk about not making rash tackles from the treatment table. Sarr and Bergvall in particular, could do with being around top talent, not mediocrity imo.

We definitely hope that our young players will be top players and that we'll be in a good place, goes without saying, those statements (predictions) are true for literally every club, every season.

I am however dragging this thread of the topic of Vuskovic with my mitherings about the deja vu aspect of the now elongated "This time next year we'll be millionaires" hopeful predictions that have a familiar purgatorial feeling about them.
 
spurspinter1 said:
I haven't said "We've never had young youngsters before" (,although i'm not exactly sure of the parameters for that ratger quirky phrase), it's a new thing spending so much on young talent and that's a fair enough route to take but it's only impressive if we can achieve something va this route - the nobility of this endeavor isn't enough by itself.

Wasn't it Davies and Royal who came in and excelled during another self inflicted personell crisis? Dorrington is a kid who had struggled getting on the pitch for Dundee (or whoever).

Edit - I meant last season in regards to the above.
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Pretty much fully agreed.

If there is nobility in playing and developing young players that's not enough.

It will take time with some of these young players, but getting the development of these players right is one of the most important things at the club right now.
 
spurspinter1 said:
I haven't said "We've never had young youngsters before" (,although i'm not exactly sure of the parameters for that ratger quirky phrase), it's a new thing spending so much on young talent and that's a fair enough route to take but it's only impressive if we can achieve something va this route - the nobility of this endeavor isn't enough by itself.

Wasn't it Davies and Royal who came in and excelled during another self inflicted personell crisis? Dorrington is a kid who had struggled getting on the pitch for Dundee (or whoever).

Edit - I meant last season in regards to the above.
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No, I obviously said it.

I guess my point was that the U21 age profile was on the young side, probably because we get them in so they can do their 3 years before their 21st b'day and be club trained. To me there is a big difference between a 16/17 year old and a 20/21 year old, yet us fans are quite often guilty of putting them in the same bucket. I think our U21 team is also on the very young side this season as the next lot come through with our best U21s out on loan. Hopefully we'll find our new versions of Toby and Son like Poch did, and get a couple more major players in at the 23-26 age range for next season.

Personally, I thought the Davies / Emseron centre half combo was pretty poor. 10 out of 10 for effort but they didn't tick the right boxes for the job they needed to do. 1 point from 15 in that period as well. As you say though, Dorrington is only getting to his first loan a whole year later and not yet in a first team. He wouldn't have been ready, so we had no choice to use that pair anyway. Phillips was injured, even if more ready than Dorrington. Dier was the best available centre half at the club. I won't go there.

I think there will be a more mature looking Spurs team next season. Won't be mature enough for some, but will be more mature than the current one.
 
Muttley said:
No, I obviously said it.

I guess my point was that the U21 age profile was on the young side, probably because we get them in so they can do their 3 years before their 21st b'day and be club trained. To me there is a big difference between a 16/17 year old and a 20/21 year old, yet us fans are quite often guilty of putting them in the same bucket. I think our U21 team is also on the very young side this season as the next lot come through with our best U21s out on loan. Hopefully we'll find our new versions of Toby and Son like Poch did, and get a couple more major players in at the 23-26 age range for next season.

Personally, I thought the Davies / Emseron centre half combo was pretty poor. 10 out of 10 for effort but they didn't tick the right boxes for the job they needed to do. 1 point from 15 in that period as well. As you say though, Dorrington is only getting to his first loan a whole year later and not yet in a first team. He wouldn't have been ready, so we had no choice to use that pair anyway. Phillips was injured, even if more ready than Dorrington. Dier was the best available centre half at the club. I won't go there.

I think there will be a more mature looking Spurs team next season. Won't be mature enough for some, but will be more mature than the current one.
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Right...But I didn't say whether Davies / Royal were a poor combination, it's quite evident you would think anything to do with Davies is poor, you've made that clear. I just don't see the relevance. Given their limitations they did a pretty smashing job in less than ideal circumstances iirc. I guess this season looked better as we actually had a vaguely suitable back in Dragu, but admittedly you can't account for injuries like we've had. Not many would have predicted how many games Gray has had to play at CB.

And yes, there's a difference between a 16 and a 21 year old. Who has said otherwise?

On the last paragraph, maturity clearly is a big concern. Especially when it's our supposedly senior players often making decisions that would be befitting of our less mature players. When the kids do it, it's what you'd expect and it's seemingly unreasonable to expect any better. That's all well and good if they're being guided through the game by seasoned pros who have been there and done it.
 
spurspinter1 said:
Right...But I didn't say whether Davies / Royal were a poor combination, it's quite evident you would think anything to do with Davies is poor, you've made that clear. I just don't see the relevance. Given their limitations they did a pretty smashing job in less than ideal circumstances iirc. I guess this season looked better as we actually had a vaguely suitable back in Dragu, but admittedly you can't account for injuries like we've had. Not many would have predicted how many games Gray has had to play at CB.

And yes, there's a difference between a 16 and a 21 year old. Who has said otherwise?

On the last paragraph, maturity clearly is a big concern. Especially when it's our supposedly senior players often making decisions that would be befitting of our less mature players. When the kids do it, it's what you'd expect and it's seemingly unreasonable to expect any better. That's all well and good if they're being guided through the game by seasoned pros who have been there and done it.
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And once again, I didn't say you did. I did.

But I think the real the point is that Romero / VDV are a very decent centre half pairing. You can name every other centre half from Dier through to Gray in Ange's tenure and we haven't close to the same output in that position in the different pairings. We've seen some gutsy performances though. I haven't seen enough of Danso to include him in that statement by the way. It's not about whether I rate Davies at all, or even Dragu who has been pulled apart by some fans for his lack of technical skills. The net, net is that we've got emerging youngsters in the centre half position but they are seemingly not ripened enough for their prime time. That includes Gray who has been spectacular for his age, but still made poor decisions in the moment or not been able to hold Ange's tight defensive line. Ideally, we'd be stronger there and I'm sure we will be in the future.

I do agree that 1st team players like Sonny, Madds, Biss, Bents could have taken more responsibility though. You might be thinking of others as well. I can remember similar conversations in 2014-16 when Poch's team was nascent. We soon had a spine of leaders from Hugo through to Kane and other unsung leaders like Walker and the youngest player, Dele. I try to stay optimistic that the same thing will happen with this current squad.
 
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