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Levy's 4 Catastrophic Mistakes

Gutter Boy

Gutter Boy

Tim Sherwood
1) Sacking Poch
2) Appointing Mourinho
3) Appointing Santo
4) Appointing Conte

How the fudge can we go from 2nd best in Europe to mid table in England in 3.5 years? Abject failure at the top in this vital area. He needs to fall on his sword now
 
AdamB said:
these sort of comments are so daft.

offer him £4bn and I’m sure he’ll leave
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Apparently he wants to stay on even after the sale, so don't be so sure about that.

Man's like a particularly acidic, mediocrity-infused barnacle - we're going to have scrape him off the club when (please, GHod) we get bought by a better, more ambitious owner.
 
I'd say not sacking Poch sooner so we didn't waste all that money on Tubby and Lo Celso when he was clearly done.

Hanging on to Eriksen, Alli, Dier, Alderweireld for too long. We could have recouped a lot of money if we'd sold them when it was obvious they'd never return to peak form.

Not sacking Jol sooner. Sentimentality aside, we were in serious decline and like Poch he should have been dismissed the summer prior to his eventual sacking.

Not signing some of the emerging talent we were interested in over the last 5-10 years, but instead wasting our money on "proven" players that turned out to be brick.
 
It's not a new debate on here but in my head the main rooster up was not letting Jose have a crack at the league cup final. Sure it's likely we would have still lost it but parting ways with a specialist in seeing things through with an inexperienced club favorite who'd presumably only recently passed his coaching badges....It still irks me.

As for the supposed mistake of sacking Poch, it has been so rough in the league for such a long time but we'll never know how much worse it could have got. I understand the notion of credit in the bank but we let Antonio go in 4th place but weren't we like 13th under Poch?

Appointing Mourinho and Conte were necessary steps to finding out that the culture of the club does not support / encourage success so in theory it was a good learning curve. Take Roma and wherever Conte goes next as the example of it.

If that means that we in our current form would do better with a manager of the likes of Slot's reputation then it's a genuinely good thing to know. I'd take him ahead of Ancelotti because it's evident we need an up and comer without intending any disrespect towards Slot or the club.
 
Gutter Boy said:
It should be so easy. Be Brighton, but with lots more money to be able to do it
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So be Brighton who dream of finishing in the Europa league qualifying positions of the premier league but also do way better than that because it's the makings of a truly disappointing season for us? It's not quite that easy, without wanting to come off condescending the mere suggestion that "it should be so easy" suggests you don't grasp this.

Brighton would be celebrating European football in the same vociferous fashion that Forest celebrated PL survival today - That doesn't mean either of those goals should be our target.
 
I'd go:

1) Sacking Poch
2) Appointing Santo
3) Appointing Conte
4) Sacking Jol

I've left out appointing Mourinho as appointing a serial winner, even if his football was painful isn't a completely daft decision. However following that with 2 more boring managers didnt make sense given how badly Jose's football was received
 
spurspinter1 said:
It's not a new debate on here but in my head the main rooster up was not letting Jose have a crack at the league cup final. Sure it's likely we would have still lost it but parting ways with a specialist in seeing things through with an inexperienced club favorite who'd presumably only recently passed his coaching badges....It still irks me.

As for the supposed mistake of sacking Poch, it has been so rough in the league for such a long time but we'll never know how much worse it could have got. I understand the notion of credit in the bank but we let Antonio go in 4th place but weren't we like 13th under Poch?

Appointing Mourinho and Conte were necessary steps to finding out that the culture of the club does not support / encourage success so in theory it was a good learning curve. Take Roma and wherever Conte goes next as the example of it.

If that means that we in our current form would do better with a manager of the likes of Slot's reputation then it's a genuinely good thing to know. I'd take him ahead of Ancelotti because it's evident we need an up and comer without intending any disrespect towards Slot or the club.
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Toxic anti-football managers have just done more and more harm. There's no learning, just that we torched to all our progress and good values from the previous 5 years
 
Gutter Boy said:
Toxic anti-football managers have just done more and more harm. There's no learning, just that we torched to all our progress and good values from the previous 5 years
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...which is why appointing Jose wasnt a huge mistake. Its following that up with other similar managers

As Einstein said: "“Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results."
 
spurspinter1 said:
So be Brighton who dream of finishing in the Europa league qualifying positions of the premier league but also do way better than that because it's the makings of a truly disappointing season for us? It's not quite that easy, without wanting to come off condescending the mere suggestion that "it should be so easy" suggests you don't grasp this.

Brighton would be celebrating European football in the same vociferous fashion that Forest celebrated PL survival today - That doesn't mean either of those goals should be our target.
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More persisting with sucessessive progressive coaches and having good scouting and pathways for talent into the first team
 
AdamB said:
...which is why appointing Jose wasnt a huge mistake. Its following that up with other similar managers

As Einstein said: "“Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results."
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You wouldn't elected Tommy Robinson as PM and reflect afterwards that it was a bad decision. Its funking stupid from the first conception
 
Gutter Boy said:
Toxic anti-football managers have just done more and more harm. There's no learning, just that we torched to all our progress and good values from the previous 5 years
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How can managers who are considered elite in the game be described as anti football? I can understand the toxic description as they're often not the nicest people much like Ferguson but do you seriously think "good values" as you describe them are the key to winning? Let's just hire someone based on their manners / courtesy/ general demeanor and assume that'll work, hire Mr Peanut Butter or Ted Lasso and that'll no doubt be the route to success in the Dreamland trophy and the cupcake/ candyfloss league.
 
Gutter Boy said:
More persisting with sucessessive progressive coaches and having good scouting and pathways for talent into the first team
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Ah like Graham Potter right? Worked really well for Chelsea, getting rid of a mean old winner like Tuchel and replacing him with Mr Progressive.

Every fudging team has a pathway for talent, it's called the talent being good enough to get in to the first team.

No coach is knowingly denying access to the first team for players who are better than those who are already playing.
 
spurspinter1 said:
Ah like Graham Potter right? Worked really well for Chelsea, getting rid of a mean old winner like Tuchel and replacing him with Mr Progressive.

Every fudging team has a pathway for talent, it's called the talent being good enough to get in to the first team.

No coach is knowingly denying access to the first team for players who are better than those who are already playing.
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It's about the philosophy of the club. A coach like Potter doesn't work at Chelsea. Chelsea need Mr Big gonads "I am the man" type leaders. The obvious likes of Mourinho and Conte, but also Hiddink, Tuchel and even Ancelotti to an extent. Whenever they have appointed development coaches it has tended to fail and fairly miserably. AVB and Sarri spring to mind as examples.


At Spurs we are the opposite, developing and development inclined coaches is what has worked and what we need.

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spurspinter1 said:
Ah like Graham Potter right? Worked really well for Chelsea, getting rid of a mean old winner like Tuchel and replacing him with Mr Progressive.

Every fudging team has a pathway for talent, it's called the talent being good enough to get in to the first team.

No coach is knowingly denying access to the first team for players who are better than those who are already playing.
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But this misses a point. Failing and having to sack the manager but in the meantime having passed the ball, tried to attack etc is an outcome which, whilst not ideal, is part of football.

However our last 3 managers have played painfully dull, defensive, counter-attacking football and failed.

If you appoint a defensive manager at Spurs he'd better damn well succeed and win things.

I'd prefer an attacking manager and finish between 3rd and 6th each season, than have a defensive manager who finishes 2nd every year
 
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