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Garth Crooks
Agreed.Fans act as though a manager is everything. But he is only as good as the players at his disposal.
And the time he gets with them all. In Ange's case, not much sadly!
Agreed.Fans act as though a manager is everything. But he is only as good as the players at his disposal.
Well he better hurry up as his career is nearly over.Poch always said Ndombele would need time.
Well he better hurry up as his career is nearly over.
Yep, if Spurs continue to invest £100m every year we should slowly pull ahead of most other non-financially-cheating teams and find our rightful place amongst the Top6 (TM).Fans act as though a manager is everything. But he is only as good as the players at his disposal.
Well he better hurry up as his career is nearly over.
See that it’s his 28th birthday today and still up to same old tricks
Sorry that’s rubbish as we had no idea they were crap when Poch was sacked. Ndombele actually started well and then got injured. Lo.Celso also arrived injured if I remember correctly and barely played, he was also only there on loan when Poch was in place and Mourinho made that permanentHistory is a narrative. One man’s story: his-story.
Poch lost his job primarily as the club let him call the shots with transfers - he had earnt it and wanted greater control, Poch refreshed our midfield with Ndombele and LeCelco. 100m of crap. These two signings lost Poch his job.
That man has a lot to answer for.Sorry that’s rubbish as we had no idea they were crap when Poch was sacked. Ndombele actually started well and then got injured. Lo.Celso also arrived injured if I remember correctly and barely played, he was also only there on loan when Poch was in place and Mourinho made that permanent
That’s how it was reportedWasn't the Lo Celso one always going to be permanent but us and Betis couldn't agree a figure. PSG had a sell on clause so us and Betis agreed a ridiculously large loan fee (which PSG got none of) and a smaller transfer fee (which PSG got their cut of) and that left us and Betis happy and PSG ripped off.
Don't think Jose made the decision to sign GLC at all.
Yeah, we didn't want to waste what we'd infested.That’s how it was reported
We paid a bug loan fee and had to buy him for the remainder of the fee or lose the money we already committed
He was a pest TBFYeah, we didn't want to waste what we'd infested.
Clubs have never done it "the right way" there have always been outside benefactors that allowed a club to perform at its best. That's literally the beginnings of most football clubs, they were works team or started by a local magnate. Let's not pretend football has ever been an even field in terms of the financials possible it never had been.Nailed a lot there
Clubs can’t do it the right way anymore because the clubs themselves have allows it to happen
So a self sufficient club sticking with pin the rules and delivering a major trophy is almost, almost impossible
Pool are doing it though and I hate that club, but credit where is is due
But they stick with the plan there and back it to work
New guy comes in and can’t get the target they want so they wait
That’s the kind of patience we as fans and key as a chairman could learn from
I don't really understand this logic, essentially you're saying Levy is easily swayed by some fans (none of those sackings even had universal support) in terms of who manages the club. He couldn't possibly cope with the pressure is essentially what you're claiming.Are they mistakes if the fans caused the toxic atmosphere and a lot of the fans wanted these managers to be sacked? surely thats not all on Levy as his hands were always pushed in these situations, Jol probably not but the ones you have pointed out.
The desire to back Levy no matter the cost is the cause of this revisionism. As you said Lo Celso came to us injured and had barely played, I think he'd been on the pitch 5 times before Poch got the sack and like you said it was actually in Mourinho's tenure that we decided to go through with the purchase. So if we do want to criticise Poch and that's fair enough, he wasn't perfect you can't really blame him for a purchase of a player that wasn't even made while he still manager can you?Sorry that’s rubbish as we had no idea they were crap when Poch was sacked. Ndombele actually started well and then got injured. Lo.Celso also arrived injured if I remember correctly and barely played, he was also only there on loan when Poch was in place and Mourinho made that permanent
History is a narrative. One man’s story: his-story.
Poch lost his job primarily as the club let him call the shots with transfers - he had earnt it and wanted greater control, Poch refreshed our midfield with Ndombele and LeCelco. 100m of crap. These two signings lost Poch his job.
No it was an option to buy not an obligation.Wasn't the Lo Celso one always going to be permanent but us and Betis couldn't agree a figure. PSG had a sell on clause so us and Betis agreed a ridiculously large loan fee (which PSG got none of) and a smaller transfer fee (which PSG got their cut of) and that left us and Betis happy and PSG ripped off.
Don't think Jose made the decision to sign GLC at all.
No doubt a factor once Poch was losing games and support but that came after. If Poch had started the season well would Levy have sacked him? OfI disagree 100%.
What lost Poch his job was -
a) Levy's obsession with Mourinho
b) Mourinho's incessant flirting with Levy post-CL Final
c) Levy's inability to stick with decisions he'd made
He gave the manager two players he wanted. Poch had been trying to refresh the side for two seasons. Suddenly gets two at once (albeit Lo Celso was initially a loan signing on deadline as I remember meaning he missed pre-season). He then sacked him three months later. It shows that either he was so obsessed with getting Mourinho that he sacked Poch for that, or he suffered transactional 'business' mentality in so much as 'I got you two players, they are not working yet, fans are complaining, out you go.'
Either way, I personally think blaming those signings is erroneous. Poch always said Ndombele would need time...
As is often the case observers don’t know where the balance of blame lies. At that time Ndombele was gold and it was just the manager. Change the manager and the 60m of talent would shine and we’d start winning.Sorry that’s rubbish as we had no idea they were crap when Poch was sacked. Ndombele actually started well and then got injured.
Lo.Celso also arrived injured if I remember correctly and barely played, he was also only there on loan when Poch was in place and Mourinho made that permanent
The desire to back Levy no matter the cost is the cause of this revisionism. As you said Lo Celso came to us injured and had barely played, I think he'd been on the pitch 5 times before Poch got the sack and like you said it was actually in Mourinho's tenure that we decided to go through with the purchase. So if we do want to criticise Poch and that's fair enough, he wasn't perfect you can't really blame him for a purchase of a player that wasn't even made while he still manager can you?
Mourinho confirmed the signing not Poch and that's largely because he had a decent run of form at the time. This is the bit I hate about fans when they want to spin a particular narrative. Now it's that Ndombele and Lo Celso were always terrible from day one which is far, far from the truth.
Ok, but half of the 100m wasn't actually spent by him though as you have now been corrected.It is simple: we spent well over 100m, Poch had a free rein to spend the cash, and we were significantly worse than we were. In fact it took us 5 years to recover from these signings! Poch paid with his job.