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Daniel Levy - Chairman

I based it on the current all time Spanish table.

You are right about Bilbao though, they were next, followed by Valencia.
The current table ignores the fact that Atletico were behind them at the point that their president took over. He took over a team with 4th most trophies of clubs in their country, just as Levy did at Spurs....
 
Trouble is the reason he got the job was because he was telling Levy the squad was up to it - taking the Covid situation in to account i think it's hard to say we didn't invest in the team last summer, with a number of positions that needed strengthening a 60m+ (Diaz) or 40m+ (Skriniar) CB on top was probably just a stretch too far - had he done better with what was available (which i think most would agree was possible) then he would have likely gotten his CB this summer and we'd be looking to build on a good season - the fact is he didn't and so we aren't
There is an element of truth in that..... but we lack decent scouting. There are many centre backs all over the world. Again we come back to having a proper DoF like Campos who has a players in mind for every position of the team in three or four different price bands. It is a bit like how we couldn't find a single number 9 in the whole world to come in that January. Our preparation in the transfer market seems poor.
 
This exactly and this is the problem with evaluating Levy/ENIC

- Does a single fudging supporter believe we shouldn't be 5 points better off this season (with this exact same squad)? then the squad is good enough for top 4
- Some combination of not playing Sanchez & Dier so much, or playing Bale & Dele more or just taking the handbrake off a little, Jose still has job

They have to take the blame for Jose not working (red flags and all that), but lets not pretend this squad wasn't capable of more.
I think the problem here is that every other team will also feel that they should be multiple points better off.... Chelsea having Lampard for example, Liverpool with a plethora of injuries.
 
Meh, if you're going to believe the reports about Kane being bought in to Mourinho why not the ones that say he too eventually lost faith in him by the end? Can't really pick and choose like that
I don't think Mourinho being here or not would have any influence on Kane staying or going. It is reasonably easy for Kane to see the comparative ambition at the 'top 6' clubs in the PL.
 
Why don't you? He got the job because he bigged up the squad and was preferable to an expensive rebuild, would be different if he came in saying how much work needed doing as then you could make the argument this was a known factor going in. Even at the end of the last summer window he was enthusiastic about the level of backing he received so it's after timing to be complaining about it now.

And as for usual Tottenham spending, post CL final we have been one of the highest net spenders in the league, that isn't exactly par for the course of late so let's not act like he was being asked to balance the books or sell to buy.
Again goes back to us being poorly structured.... Why would Levy not believe the manager of 5 years who had us punching above our weight consistently and instead take the word of the bloke who is looking for a £52.5 million 3.5 year contract?
 
There is an element of truth in that..... but we lack decent scouting. There are many centre backs all over the world. Again we come back to having a proper DoF like Campos who has a players in mind for every position of the team in three or four different price bands. It is a bit like how we couldn't find a single number 9 in the whole world to come in that January. Our preparation in the transfer market seems poor.

As shrewd as Levy is when it comes to finance, I am astonished that he doesn't see the sense/value in this.
 
Again goes back to us being poorly structured.... Why would Levy not believe the manager of 5 years who had us punching above our weight consistently and instead take the word of the bloke who is looking for a £52.5 million 3.5 year contract?

You know where i stand on this - Levy should have listened to and backed Poch on the rebuild and given him the time and support to see it through rather than replacing him.
 
Why would Levy not believe the manager of 5 years who had us punching above our weight consistently and instead take the word of the bloke who is looking for a £52.5 million 3.5 year contract?

Levy doesn't need us to win anything substantial. He needs us to do well enough to qualify for CL, get big money in, massive waiting list on season ticket list. Anything else is a bonus sure, but it's no surprise everytime we've come close to something special he's shat himself.
 
Hmmm...a rookie manager, a cup final lost and our top player wanting out. Not sure I agree.
Difficult to tell what would've happened in the Cup final. The way we were playing I think the result might have been an even bigger winning margin for Emirates Marketing Project.... I mean we made the worst Arsenal team since the mid eighties look like Emirates Marketing Project in our game against them a few week's before didn't we?

The rookie manager has also (so far) done better than Mourinho in his short spell in charge in the league.

Kane was wanting out anyway I think. He is 28 now and can see that we're moving away from instead of towards being the best team in the league.
 
Levy doesn't need us to win anything substantial. He needs us to do well enough to qualify for CL, get big money in, massive waiting list on season ticket list. Anything else is a bonus sure, but it's no surprise everytime we've come close to something special he's shat himself.

Pretty much. Since 2012 with Louis Saha and Ryan Nelsen in January when we were in first and needed something to get us over the line, he has been the exact same - failing at the death, never investing a penny, never backing his man.

Kane sees this. The football world sees this. We're a laughing stock with this lot at the helm for our inability to go the distance, and will always be.

Nothing will change as long as ENIC are here - as long as we are owned by Joe Lewis and his mediocre, utterly useless henchman Levy, nothing will change, even if we hire Guardiola. It's a lack of investment - it's seeing us as their convenient vehicle to buy property in Haringey, nothing more. And it's also an organizational culture that prioritizes penny-pinching mediocrity and risk-averse, safety-first cowardice - zero cost, at all circumstances. We're run by spivs who see the price of everything and the value of nothing - how can we compete with the clubs who put winning first and foremost? Not even the top clubs, f*cking Leicester have shown these clueless, mediocre spivs up for what they are - deadweight drags on the club.

30 years ago today, we won the FA Cup for the 8th time. An English record, in a cup that was once unequivocally ours - Spurs and the FA Cup were one of the game's sureties, a story for the ages.

Since ENIC took over? 1 League Cup in 20 years, about to lose a club legend and one of the best players our academy has ever produced, who was willing to give us his career if only he could see forward progress, see us be ambitious. A club spiralling backwards at a rapid pace.

ENIC - what great owners.
 

https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/tottenham-harry-kane-transfer-daniel-levy-b935781.html

Tottenham fans’ acceptance of Harry Kane transfer wish spells trouble ahead for Daniel Levy

By Dan Kilpatrick

'....there is a widespread appreciation of everything Kane has done for Spurs and an acknowledgment that he has simply outgrown the club, and deserves to be playing on the biggest stages and competing regularly for the biggest honours.

Instead, all the heat is on Daniel Levy, and it will surely be the Tottenham chairman, rather than Kane, who is the subject of a backlash from fans during the match against Aston Villa.

If Kane does force his way out of Spurs, Levy will be cast as the villain for the catalogue of decisions which have led club and player to this point.

With the Spurs board already facing mounting unrest from supporters for their involvement in the European Super League, selling Kane may turn previously ambivalent sections of the fanbase firmly against Levy and make it difficult for him to continue running the club with supporters’ backing.

Kane is more than simply one of the best-ever players in Tottenham’s history. His status transcends his consistently-brilliant performances and he is talismanic, a symbol of the club.
Selling the England captain, even if it would mean a windfall of more than £150million to allow Spurs to rebuild the squad in a Covid-depressed economy, would be hugely damaging for Levy.

Tottenham and their chairman only have themselves to blame for the situation.

In prioritising the stadium over the squad and failing to note the repeated warnings of former manager Mauricio Pochettino, Levy allowed the team to enter a decline which has proved difficult to reverse.

The decision to replace Pochettino with Jose Mourinho was a particularly damaging act of hubris from the chairman, and the appointment played out predictably, with Spurs continuing in free-fall under the Portuguese
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https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/tottenham-harry-kane-transfer-daniel-levy-b935781.html
Tottenham fans’ acceptance of Harry Kane transfer wish spells trouble ahead for Daniel Levy

By Dan Kilpatrick

'....there is a widespread appreciation of everything Kane has done for Spurs and an acknowledgment that he has simply outgrown the club, and deserves to be playing on the biggest stages and competing regularly for the biggest honours.

Instead, all the heat is on Daniel Levy, and it will surely be the Tottenham chairman, rather than Kane, who is the subject of a backlash from fans during the match against Aston Villa.

If Kane does force his way out of Spurs, Levy will be cast as the villain for the catalogue of decisions which have led club and player to this point.

With the Spurs board already facing mounting unrest from supporters for their involvement in the European Super League, selling Kane may turn previously ambivalent sections of the fanbase firmly against Levy and make it difficult for him to continue running the club with supporters’ backing.

Kane is more than simply one of the best-ever players in Tottenham’s history. His status transcends his consistently-brilliant performances and he is talismanic, a symbol of the club.
Selling the England captain, even if it would mean a windfall of more than £150million to allow Spurs to rebuild the squad in a Covid-depressed economy, would be hugely damaging for Levy.

Tottenham and their chairman only have themselves to blame for the situation.

In prioritising the stadium over the squad and failing to note the repeated warnings of former manager Mauricio Pochettino, Levy allowed the team to enter a decline which has proved difficult to reverse.

The decision to replace Pochettino with Jose Mourinho was a particularly damaging act of hubris from the chairman, and the appointment played out predictably, with Spurs continuing in free-fall under the Portuguese.'


Predictable, and for all that i agree Levy has made some serious errors over the last three years this isn't all on him.
Would Harry have stayed if we had won tge CL?
Easy to yes, but who really knows. It would just have made him more of a catch for someone else.
Also if, as I've seen suggested, Harry was unhappy with the squad and its efforts, effectively echoing Pochs comments why wasn't he supporting the manager and making the point to Levy?
And finally, yes tottenham Hotspur failed to win any trophies for Harry, but Harry Kane failed to win any trophies for Tottenham Hotspur, cuts both ways. Majority of it is on the club but Harry has to take some of the responsibility. Four finals, at two no shows, that's not on Levy.
 
Predictable, and for all that i agree Levy has made some serious errors over the last three years this isn't all on him.
Would Harry have stayed if we had won tge CL?
Easy to yes, but who really knows. It would just have made him more of a catch for someone else.
Also if, as I've seen suggested, Harry was unhappy with the squad and its efforts, effectively echoing Pochs comments why wasn't he supporting the manager and making the point to Levy?
And finally, yes tottenham Hotspur failed to win any trophies for Harry, but Harry Kane failed to win any trophies for Tottenham Hotspur, cuts both ways. Majority of it is on the club but Harry has to take some of the responsibility. Four finals, at two no shows, that's not on Levy.


Oh, and no one, absolutely no one transcends the club.
 
My thoughts exactly on the Jose sacking. The view that the problem was Jose and that everything would suddenly return to being hopeful and positive if he was sacked was always naive in my opinion.

As I said before Mourinho was sacked, the problems at the club are deep and entrenched and they go way beyond any manager. And that’s what we’re now seeing playing out.

Could not agree more with that, the dressing room stinks and has done for a while and we have players in there who have downed tools. Its pretty obvious for me that it has been that way since before Poch was let go and it has carried on from there.

Those fans who think we only needed a new manager and one or two new players are going to be let down unless we have a BIG clear out of the deadwood. I am amazed that s ome still do not see it that way.
 
Could not agree more with that, the dressing room stinks and has done for a while and we have players in there who have downed tools. Its pretty obvious for me that it has been that way since before Poch was let go and it has carried on from there.

Those fans who think we only needed a new manager and one or two new players are going to be let down unless we have a BIG clear out of the deadwood. I am amazed that s ome still do not see it that way.


It's clear, and has been for a while, that someone, some group, or something is dragging the club down.
Looks more and more likely that its coming from within the dressing room. I would have no hesitation in getting rid of each and every player, we cannot succeed with this going on.
We need to be ruthless here.
Selling a few players at a liss is nothing in comparison to the cost of these fudge ups.
 
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