Bedfordspurs
Chris Waddle
How has anything you said have an6 relevance to my post ?
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Ange in or out?
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That was not the post I was relying tooo
Same as double posting... something fishy is going on, on the server.
Jurgen the German
Willie Hall
Stuck with him till he dies or his son takes over then.
Muttley
Peter Taylor
Yep, and my thoughts were that if most of this group have been together for 18 months, why isn't that the case? 10 of our first 11 players were part of our current best team and another 3 or 4 were the main subs. We can't assign the reason that we can't transition between different tactical systems for phases of the game anymore on the players. You have to start questioning the manager in the post 18 months period we're now going into. We should be normalised by now.
Welshspur60
Gilberto
He has to go i think. The players arent giving their all for him, and thats on them, but his tactics have been exposed by many teams now and we are more often abysmall than good.
monkeybarry
Jack Jull
Absolutely.
And all of those are upgrades, except Kane - which was never going to be possible with a player, but with a structure.(Take Kane out of any squad of the last ten years and it finishes 6-10, with a lucky 4th thrown in)
A lot of the players we've mentioned are on the cusp of being proven and some prospects - that where I'm open to giving another 1.5 seasons. But Ange developing needs to run along side that. He needs to start acting like someone that is stepping up, instead of thinking he knows better than all the PL managers that have come before him and he faces each week.
The squad is a very good squad.
I didn't include Davies - because he's not a player Ange would sign. Same with Richi.
Same with Kulu - but I do like the adaption they've both made.
Sarr - don't know. You'd think he'd be perfect. I'd start him every game as a box to box player.
I’m having a real problem with this injury chat.
We had a 5 first choice attacking players available against Bournemouth (could argue Richy could be in there).
We created literally nothing. So then people say, “oh actually they are knackered”. Was it sprung upon us at the last minute that we’d be playing in 4 competitions and that the Europa had an enhanced schedule?
It’s failure in planning, but it’s also failure in coaching - Is he getting the most out of those available….clearly not, we’ve seen so many bad decisions in the last 2 games.
We had a 5 first choice attacking players available against Bournemouth (could argue Richy could be in there).
We created literally nothing. So then people say, “oh actually they are knackered”. Was it sprung upon us at the last minute that we’d be playing in 4 competitions and that the Europa had an enhanced schedule?
It’s failure in planning, but it’s also failure in coaching - Is he getting the most out of those available….clearly not, we’ve seen so many bad decisions in the last 2 games.
It's gonads. An excuse. Every team has injuries. I think ours are slightly worse than most, but that's down to the training and tactics and way of playing. Ali Gold did a good YouTube piece when Postecoglu joined saying that a problem he has had in every club he has joined are injury problems in the first one to two years. Particularly hamstring injuries. Then he's generally been able to smooth that out as players and physios and fitness staff adjust to his system.
But the PL is a high intensity league with a high injury rate as it is. So fitness and injury management is already a thing. Adding his style on top, I'm not sure.
But even then, the teams we put out against Ipswich, Fulham, Bournemouth were more than capable of playing better than they did (wins and draws aren't guaranteed in this league, note I'm talking about playing better). If we had played at a more consistent level this season our results would be more consistent. The Brighton game summed up the indecisiveness, indecision and players seemingly caught for me between the demands of a manager to "keep going, keep pushing high, keep attacking with intensity" and the reality of this league and what energy their own bodies can maintain....
ENIC are not the problem. Owners can no longer bankroll a team so even if you get a Sheikh in you're not going to magically start buying players anymore. Look at Saudi Sportswashing Machine. It was Eddie Howe over Steve Bruce and a better recruitment policy that improved them rather than buying more players or more expensive players and their progress has stalled. ENIC as far as I can tell have backed Ange in every decision he's made and got him the players he wanted. Its on Ange.
Of course every team gets injuries. But please tell me which other club in the last few seasons has had their first choice goalkeeper, both first choice centre backs injured all at same time, arguably best CM suspended for seven games, CF who showed he could score goals in this system out long term and more all unavailable?
And Ange to his credit never uses it as an excuse, but let's not pretend it's not a factor that is going to make things difficult for a squad that's not that deep.
Meant to add, agree that the reason for such injuries should perhaps be looked at - this isn't the first time under Ange this has happened, same last season....
Mikey10
Pedro Mendes
He has to change how he plays for a while to adapt then. He’s in danger, imo, of never being able to see out his long-term vision because he’s refusing to adapt to relativity short-term issues.
There’s also the argument as to why we’re facing this type of injury crisis for the second season in a row. Is it because of how the team are being asked to play?
Yeah I edited my post adding that it should be looked at why we have had an injury crisis not just this season but last season too. Whilst obviously I have no idea, I don't see why it would be the way we are asked to play - it's not as if running hard is something revolutionary Ange has come up with is it? But who knows.
The adapting thing is intersting, because he has demonstrated twice vs Emirates Marketing Project that he can adapt his tactics slightly, perhaps because they are such an exceptional team I don't know. It's a tough one when you want to install a style of play and stick to it, but at the same time really need some short term gains. Problem is his vision has always been long term and is accepting of going through painful periods like this in order to reach the end goal. The problem is, a lot of fans likely wont see it through with him (rightly or wrongly).....
NaijaSpurs
Les Ferdinand
Agreed, especially when you consider our injuries.
SpurMeUp
Gary Stevens
Much to whinging fans frustration you can’t blame Richarlison and Odobert injuries on Ange. They’ve barely played this season. Zhit happens.
What it means is Solanke, Kulu, Johnson and Son don’t get effective rotation. And normally Postecoglou would sub pressing forwards around 65 mins.
“We want it all and we want it now”
This time last year you had it. But we were punching above our weight. This season we’ve been punching below it in terms of points in the league. But we are in all the cups still. Ange isn’t a miracle worker. It takes time. You often have one step back to take two steps forward.
There are frustrations that we can’t grind out league results more effectively and we make harder work of wins often. We are not consistent and we are not there with the squad rotation. There are lots of details to work on - which is positive because there is more to come.
Yet…there are games where you see what is possible. At least some see it.
What it means is Solanke, Kulu, Johnson and Son don’t get effective rotation. And normally Postecoglou would sub pressing forwards around 65 mins.
“We want it all and we want it now”
This time last year you had it. But we were punching above our weight. This season we’ve been punching below it in terms of points in the league. But we are in all the cups still. Ange isn’t a miracle worker. It takes time. You often have one step back to take two steps forward.
There are frustrations that we can’t grind out league results more effectively and we make harder work of wins often. We are not consistent and we are not there with the squad rotation. There are lots of details to work on - which is positive because there is more to come.
Yet…there are games where you see what is possible. At least some see it.
NaijaSpurs
Les Ferdinand
When 5 of our last 6 or 7 permanent signings were teenagers it is obvious he needs more time. Teenagers need time to develop and are by their very nature inconsistent.
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NaijaSpurs
Les Ferdinand
Apart from Solanke we have failed to sign a player good enough to automatically raise the ceiling of our squad, that is disappointing and makes it harder for the Ange.
NaijaSpurs
Les Ferdinand
We have spent over £100m on teenagers over the last 18 months. That investment takes time to mature
NaijaSpurs
Les Ferdinand
Sure some Ange decisions are working, but be careful what you wish for, West Ham are exhibit 1
He hasn't had all those injuries for all of the poor performances through and we reached this point last season where pretty much half our first XI ended up out and we lost what 4 games in 5 or something? It's his regime. It's a consistent problem and the timing of it biting us really badly is almost identical to last season so is that bad luck or is it down to the management and coaching?