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Igor the Interim

fernadez said:
No standards of professionalism from top down. Every time it's time to face some accountability it's always the managers fault. This is from above and underneath him.

£100k a week and you're upset because someone is telling you to put in more effort. Then they wonder why fans don't relate to them. Even more worrying is it shows where thier heads are in regards to the 9 cup finals we have....more concerned with their feelings then the task at hand.

Imagine having the luxury to down tools if you don't like your boss.
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It always seems to be something/anything other than knuckle down and give 100% every day.

At this point who cares if you trust the manager, you’re not in a point to criticise unless you’re giving it your all in every match (and training)
 
Bishop said:
I get that, but realistically would you pick what you consider as a poor option just to do so. Sometimes that works out for the worse. We had that very situation this week when Vicario who many have called to be dropped was so for the weaker backup option and we saw what happened there. The source of the problem is not him not resting Kudus, the source is us not having the depth and breadth of squad where he felt able to rotate Kudus. Until we address these kind of poor squad build issues we will always be plagued with these problems.

Ange did similaer last year when he over played Udogie to the point of injury despite having Reguilion fit and available, yet he did not think Reggie (wrongly imo) was a reasonable rotation option for his first choice, so this isn't a new phenomenon. It always happens when a squad is either unbalanced or weak in terms of quality and depth. We suffer from all of these problems.
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I was critical of Ange for some similar decisions.

We should have a better squad, but the role of the manager is also to manage the squad he has.

Yes, I would rather have rested some players and played worse players.
 
SteveAWOL said:
Perhaps we should've signed Wharton from Blackburn at the same time we activated Phillips' release clause... or stumped up the extra for Fernandes rather of settling for the cheaper Lo Celso... then we mightn't have ended up in this predicament of needing to rely upon a (suspension prone) Centreback as our primary line breaking passer...

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Look at Damsgaard, there in 4th place for all competitions, for through balls. I coudn't find any historical data regarding these but last season under Frank he hit 1.90 key passes per match with a total of 62 key passes, hitting the 90%, this season under Andrews he has played 32 key passes 1.91 per match and at the 93 percentile. Which just support my argument that if Frank had the players he would indeed have them playing through balls and centrally so.
 
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Well go and flipping do it then.
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And who exactly do the players think have any faith in them?
 
braineclipse said:
I was critical of Ange for some similar decisions.

We should have a better squad, but the role of the manager is also to manage the squad he has.

Yes, I would rather have rested some players and played worse players.
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Thats fair enough, i'm just a realist and managers almost never pick someone they know (or at least think) is a worse player with no upsides over their bonafide starter.
 
SissokoWasGood (BoL) said:
I’m actually fed up with the players coming out with this. At this point, as much as I’m angry we appointed Frank and sympathise with the players having to put up with that, I just don’t want to hear it anymore. Even with Tudor, he may be a big meanie that’s made them run more and asks them to wake up in the warm ups, but I just don’t care. Get on with the fudging job.

These players who by and large achieve nothing with us have on and off for years been leaking that almost every manager we have had has some issue. I’m bored of it. It’s pathetic.

I do not understand how our culture was allowed to become so utterly rotten. Well I think I do, in terms of aimless decision making by our owners. But I’m surprised at how quickly it disintegrated after last year.
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It’s always been the culture at our club. It’s why we’ve been so flaky for the 42 years I’ve supported the club. There seems to be a very deferential attitude towards players. It goes back to at least Venables’ time.

I have some sympathy for the players. Not for Tudor making them work hard. fudge that, the least they can do is work hard.

I’ve sympathy because the coach is picking different, unfamiliar formations every week. I’ve sympathy because the manager is playing lads out of position regularly. I’ve sympathy because the manager has thrown lads under the bus pretty much from week 2 here. I’ve sympathy because the manager seems like a dreadful man manager. That all says to me that the manager should be removed and it’s an indictment of the people running the club that they are allowing this to continue.

But I agree. It’s time for the players to put their big boy pants on. Getting Tottenham relegated will be a stain on their careers that they won’t be able to hide from. They owe it to Tottenham Hotspur the club, the fans and themselves to do whatever the fudge it takes to get us out of this mess.

Breaking the cycle of negativity and defeats will take a huge amount of character and balls. If these lads have any aspirations of being elite players, they cannot allow us to be relegated.
 
thfcsteff said:
Interested in your source?

Here are some from squawka:


<<Tottenham have attempted just 11 through balls in 21 league games in 2025/26, the fewest of any side in the Premier League this season.

Nine players have attempted more through balls than Tottenham in the Premier League so far this campaign:

◉ 18 - Bruno Fernandes
◉ 16 - Bruno Guimarães
◉ 15 - Rayan Cherki
◉ 15 - Martin Ødegaard
◉ 14 - Morgan Rogers
◉ 13 - Jérémy Doku
◉ 12 - Bryan Mbeumo
◉ 12 - Adam Wharton
◉ 12 - Yéremy Pino

While here's how many through balls the Big Six have attempted in the league this season:

◎ 77 - Emirates Marketing Project
◎ 76 - Arsenal
◎ 62 - Man Utd
◎ 52 - Chelsea
◎ 50 - Liverpool
◉ 11 - Tottenham>>

The same source said that during Frank's tenure, the average through balls attempted was 0.52.
Postecoglu's was 1.9

Frank's total addiction to caution meant we went sideways and up either wing for crosses. He was absolutely not interested in risking anything through the middle.
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And there it is again.

These clubs buy quality over quantity. They get through balls.

Spurs buy quantity over quality. They don't.
 
Devils advocate here… but let’s consider if Igor is trying different formations to get a tune out of what he has available.

If you ignore the keystone cops debacle at the start it wasn’t a bad performance the other day (relative to the last 20-30 games anyway)

I do have some sympathy for the manager, why should he be best mates and happy clappy with the players, a bunch of snowflakes that complain when they are not getting their own way.

Whatever happens this season there needs to be a flurry of P45s handed out at the end of it

I’m getting ready for the Championship because I don’t think it will matter what manager is in charge this bunch are not good enough or show enough effort to keep us up.
 
Bishop said:
Look at Damsgaard, there in 4th place for all competitions, for through balls. I coudn't find any historical data regarding these but last season under Frank he hit 1.90 key passes per match with a total of 62 key passes, hitting the 90%, this season under Andrews he has played 32 key passes 1.91 per match and at the 93 percentile. Which just support my argument that if Frank had the players he would indeed have them playing through balls and centrally so.
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So our players don't have as much ability as Wolves players? They're not world beaters but there's no way on earth they should be bottom for the most attempted through balls. Frank shackled them into the one pass that they were allowed, out to the wing for a cross.
 
DubSpur said:
So our players don't have as much ability as Wolves players? They're not world beaters but there's no way on earth they should be bottom for the most attempted through balls. Frank shackled them into the one pass that they were allowed, out to the wing for a cross.
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Depends on the Wolves player. I would gladly and happily take Joao Gomes. I think he would elevate our midfield considerably. Why would Wolves having some better players be shocking? Do you watch teams other than Spurs with cleans eyes?

For me, I understand Frank not trying to play through the middle with players who frankly aren't capable of doing so and this isn't even a defense of Frank I said the same things on this very forum last season under Ange.
 
SissokoWasGood (BoL) said:
I’m actually fed up with the players coming out with this. At this point, as much as I’m angry we appointed Frank and sympathise with the players having to put up with that, I just don’t want to hear it anymore. Even with Tudor, he may be a big meanie that’s made them run more and asks them to wake up in the warm ups, but I just don’t care. Get on with the fudging job.

These players who by and large achieve nothing with us have on and off for years been leaking that almost every manager we have had has some issue. I’m bored of it. It’s pathetic.

I do not understand how our culture was allowed to become so utterly rotten. Well I think I do, in terms of aimless decision making by our owners. But I’m surprised at how quickly it disintegrated after last year.
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Perhaps it started when the squad decided that they wanted Mourinho gone because he didn’t mollycoddle them sufficiently, well apart from Kane who has continued to demonstrate an elite winning mentality whilst the players we’ve been left with continue to find excuses for losing almost every week.
 
Bishop said:
Depends on the Wolves player. I would gladly and happily take Joao Gomes. I think he would elevate our midfield considerably. Why would Wolves having some better players be shocking? Do you watch teams other than Spurs with cleans eyes?

For me, I understand Frank not trying to play through the middle with players who frankly aren't capable of doing so and this isn't even a defense of Frank I said the same things on this very forum last season under Ange.
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Overall squad quality, not one individual player. Do you watch Spurs with clean eyes to come to the conclusion that we have the worst squad in the league and can't make a pass?
 
DubSpur said:
So our players don't have as much ability as Wolves players? They're not world beaters but there's no way on earth they should be bottom for the most attempted through balls. Frank shackled them into the one pass that they were allowed, out to the wing for a cross.
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I think at the top end of the game, the players that play in the highest divisions in Europe and South America, technical ability wise, most of them are in the same envelope (there are obviously outliers at either end), the difference in performance comes from mindset, attitude, confidence and work rate.

That’s what we lack.
 
Baleforce said:
I think at the top end of the game, the players that play in the highest divisions in Europe and South America, technical ability wise, most of them are in the same envelope (there are obviously outliers at either end), the difference in performance comes from mindset, attitude, confidence and work rate.

That’s what we lack.
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Yup, the confidence has been drained from them, and part of that was Frank forcing them to play sideways and backwards.
 
Baleforce said:
I think at the top end of the game, the players that play in the highest divisions in Europe and South America, technical ability wise, most of them are in the same envelope (there are obviously outliers at either end), the difference in performance comes from mindset, attitude, confidence and work rate.

That’s what we lack.
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Yep and whats going on between the ears, our players look utterly brain dead and I can't be having that its all on the management and coaches.

We are three managers deep in less than a year and the only common theme are the results and the players..............that should tell people somethign
 
DubSpur said:
Overall squad quality, not one individual player. Do you watch Spurs with clean eyes to come to the conclusion that we have the worst squad in the league and can't make a pass?
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I don't believe in overall squad quality as amounting to a great deal, you can't put a squad on the pitch but you can put an 11 and thats where the balance comes into play and I think balance is far more important. If a team is unbalanced then you need extreme qualities to compensate for that imbalance. In recent years we had Kane and Son to mask these failings, now they have left that lack of balance in the squad and 11 has become a much more evident problem. So yes in those terms I do think we have one of the worst squads in the league, we easily have one of the least balanced midfields, given its the most important and key area for playing cohesive football it kind of explains where we are today.

The example I gave you of Joao Gomes is a player who would make difference to that lack of balance and that lack of passing quality from deep. A single player of that ilk changes everything about this team.
 
I can’t help but feel that they’ve kept Tudor in place because they know it’s Liverpool next, then Atletico again, the board are basically assuming that’s another two losses (which is an appalling mentality tbh). I think their view is if they bring another manager in now, he potentially loses his first two and the media narrative is it doesn’t matter who we bring in, we just can’t help but lose.

I think their plan is let Tudor take Liverpool and the second leg. If he loses both they will give him the boot and bring someone in with the view we apparently have more of a chance against Forest and in some subsequent games that the new man can build some momentum get some points and they can take credit for making the change, equally, if Tudor nicks a point against Pool they can point to it being a turning point.

Either way, I think they aren’t replacing him because even they think the optics of getting anything in the next two games are low.

Could be miles off, but it feels like the sort of view they would have.
 
Rafa87 said:
I can’t help but feel that they’ve kept Tudor in place because they know it’s Liverpool next, then Atletico again, the board are basically assuming that’s another two losses (which is an appalling mentality tbh). I think their view is if they bring another manager in now, he potentially loses his first two and the media narrative is it doesn’t matter who we bring in, we just can’t help but lose.

I think their plan is let Tudor take Liverpool and the second leg. If he loses both they will give him the boot and bring someone in with the view we apparently have more of a chance against Forest and in some subsequent games that the new man can build some momentum get some points and they can take credit for making the change, equally, if Tudor nicks a point against Pool they can point to it being a turning point.

Either way, I think they aren’t replacing him because even they think the optics of getting anything in the next two games are low.

Could be miles off, but it feels like the sort of view they would have.
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Think your giving the board more credit than they deserve
 
Rafa87 said:
I can’t help but feel that they’ve kept Tudor in place because they know it’s Liverpool next, then Atletico again, the board are basically assuming that’s another two losses (which is an appalling mentality tbh). I think their view is if they bring another manager in now, he potentially loses his first two and the media narrative is it doesn’t matter who we bring in, we just can’t help but lose.

I think their plan is let Tudor take Liverpool and the second leg. If he loses both they will give him the boot and bring someone in with the view we apparently have more of a chance against Forest and in some subsequent games that the new man can build some momentum get some points and they can take credit for making the change, equally, if Tudor nicks a point against Pool they can point to it being a turning point.

Either way, I think they aren’t replacing him because even they think the optics of getting anything in the next two games are low.

Could be miles off, but it feels like the sort of view they would have.
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I would flip that and say a new manager needs a couple of games under his belt before the 6 pointers.
 
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