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DeanoAustin said:
www.bbc.com

Tottenham Hotspur owner to leave Tudor decision to club executives

Tottenham owner Enic does not plan to step in and take the decision over Igor Tudor's future out of the hands of the club's executive team despite the manager's poor start.
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Good fudge. "I'm leaving the fate of my £3-4bn asset in the hands of two lads who have f**ked up spectacularly on pretty much every decision they've made this season".

Honestly, it's like I've been sucked into some parallel universe.
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As a general observation...
Tbh...that is the right approach. If you install the right people in the executive positions you let them captain the ship and make all the big decisions.

That is because you have hired them for their expertise around the industry you operate in. They inherently know a lot more than you do as a money rich owner.

Yes, there can be conversations BUT you've employed these people to guide you. They might as well not be there if you constantly interfere or override them (and the person/persons themselves will feel diminished and probably 'whats the point?)
 
ricky2tricky4city said:
As a general observation...
Tbh...that is the right approach. If you install the right people in the executive positions you let them captain the ship and make all the big decisions.

That is because you have hired them for their expertise around the industry you operate in. They inherently know a lot more than you do as a money rich owner.

Yes, there can be conversations BUT you've employed these people to guide you. They might as well not be there if you constantly interfere or override them (and the person/persons themselves will feel diminished and probably 'whats the point?)
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Completely agree.
However it’s pretty obvious they’ve employed the wrong executives in Vinai and Lange.
 
ricky2tricky4city said:
As a general observation...
Tbh...that is the right approach. If you install the right people in the executive positions you let them captain the ship and make all the big decisions.

That is because you have hired them for their expertise around the industry you operate in. They inherently know a lot more than you do as a money rich owner.

Yes, there can be conversations BUT you've employed these people to guide you. They might as well not be there if you constantly interfere or override them (and the person/persons themselves will feel diminished and probably 'whats the point?)
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Agree - But wasn't it said he had to intervene in order to finally get Frank sacked?
 
ricky2tricky4city said:
As a general observation...
Tbh...that is the right approach. If you install the right people in the executive positions you let them captain the ship and make all the big decisions.

That is because you have hired them for their expertise around the industry you operate in. They inherently know a lot more than you do as a money rich owner.

Yes, there can be conversations BUT you've employed these people to guide you. They might as well not be there if you constantly interfere or override them (and the person/persons themselves will feel diminished and probably 'whats the point?)
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Would agree wholeheartedly in any semi functional organisation. That is not us. We’re dysfunctional on steroids.

I know Vinai and Lange are easy spacegoats but their decision making has proven to be horrendous to the point that, despite spending more than most of the league on transfers, despite having the 6th biggest wage bill, we’re a point above the relegation zone with 8 games to play.

To anyone with eyes and scant knowledge of the game, they’ve hired a guy who has made our plight even worse than it was under Frank.

Sometimes, leadership is stepping in to avoid a doomsday scenario where the club gets relegated, our revenues drop substantially, we lose a bunch of players and a bunch of people around the club lose their jobs as a result.

It would be astounding if Vinai and Lange kept their jobs under any circumstances after his season. Allowing them to keep steering us towards the iceberg unchecked is a dereliction on behalf on the owners IMO.
 
SirPercyHotspur said:
Another story that just seems to be written to fill up a few column inches , the whole point of employing a CEO is that they make the decisions and Vinai is there because of the Lewis family plus the non exec chairman is a director of ENIC.

www.bbc.co.uk

Tottenham Hotspur owner to leave Tudor decision to club executives

Tottenham owner Enic does not plan to step in and take the decision over Igor Tudor's future out of the hands of the club's executive team despite the manager's poor start.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
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On the other hand, that's exactly the sort of story you put out when you're getting ready to deny responsibility when it all goes south and point the finger elsewhere.

The truth is, we've been sleepwalking towards relegation since Christmas, and results had been indifferent for a while before then. If Tudor has had any impact at all, it appears to have been in the wrong direction, The club just seems completely rudderless.
 
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Gazza Dazzla said:
Completely agree.
However it’s pretty obvious they’ve employed the wrong executives in Vinai and Lange.
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DeanoAustin said:
Would agree wholeheartedly in any semi functional organisation. That is not us. We’re dysfunctional on steroids.

I know Vinai and Lange are easy spacegoats but their decision making has proven to be horrendous to the point that, despite spending more than most of the league on transfers, despite having the 6th biggest wage bill, we’re a point above the relegation zone with 8 games to play.

To anyone with eyes and scant knowledge of the game, they’ve hired a guy who has made our plight even worse than it was under Frank.

Sometimes, leadership is stepping in to avoid a doomsday scenario where the club gets relegated, our revenues drop substantially, we lose a bunch of players and a bunch of people around the club lose their jobs as a result.

It would be astounding if Vinai and Lange kept their jobs under any circumstances after his season. Allowing them to keep steering us towards the iceberg unchecked is a dereliction on behalf on the owners IMO.
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With the amount of change we've had at C-Suite level any business would need at the very least 12 months to start to see the affect of those changes in alignment, progress, culture etc (more like 24 months tbh)

Problem is football comes at you fast.

The owners are on the hook for the speed and timing of shifting Levy out the door.
If it needed to be done at that time, for whatever reason, you accept the extra pain of change. (Which in turn, we will suffer as well)

Whether VV and JL are competent is hard to tell in this environment.

We're raging because we can't win games of football.
 
ricky2tricky4city said:
With the amount of change we've had at C-Suite level any business would need at the very least 12 months to start to see the affect of those changes in alignment, progress, culture etc (more like 24 months tbh)

Problem is football comes at you fast.

The owners are on the hook for the speed and timing of shifting Levy out the door.
If it needed to be done at that time, for whatever reason, you accept the extra pain of change. (Which in turn, we will suffer as well)

Whether VV and JL are competent is hard to tell in this environment.

We're raging because we can't win games of football.
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Not really just because we can’t win games. It’s an evaluation of the absolute disarray that we’re seeing in front of our eyes.

Three decisions:

1. Holding on to Frank as long as they did
2. The January window. Not just the lack of signings generally but the sale of Johnson without replacing him.
3. The appointment of Tudor and the failure to do what the world and its mother can see is an inevitability

There’s so much in those three points that is directly attributable to both Lange and Vinai. There’s a lot of other stuff too but I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt on that for the sake of argument.
 
DubSpur said:
You really couldn't make it up. How can they get rid of Levy and replace him with clowns that haven't a pair of balls between them to make a decision.
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This is actually the right way to do things. The CEO is left to run the company. The CEO appoints a DoF and the DoF is left to run the football side of things, including the appointment of the the manager. It should be the DoFs decision on hiring and firing of managers and the CEOs decision on hiring and firing of DoFs.

If the CEO isn’t performing then the shareholders (the owners) can oust them.

Of course there is a question of whether Lange is the right DoF and perhaps also whether Vinai is the right CEO but the model at least is correct.

Having this model (assuming combined with high remuneration) should also mean that we can actually attract the best DoFs and the best CEOs.
 
Finney Is Back said:
This is actually the right way to do things. The CEO is left to run the company. The CEO appoints a DoF and the DoF is left to run the football side of things, including the appointment of the the manager. It should be the DoFs decision on hiring and firing of managers and the CEOs decision on hiring and firing of DoFs.

If the CEO isn’t performing then the shareholders (the owners) can oust them.

Of course there is a question of whether Lange is the right DoF and perhaps also whether Vinai is the right CEO but the model at least is correct.

Having this model (assuming combined with high remuneration) should also mean that we can actually attract the best DoFs and the best CEOs.
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I'm not disputing the model, more who they left it in the hands of to run it instead of Levy.
It would've made more sense to phase Levy out, move him into the non-executive chairman role and have his knowledge of the club on hand.
At the moment it doesn't look like anyone is in charge and things are just drifting again.
 
Ace Face said:
Developing into what type of player exactly? He’s been with us 4(?) seasons now and other than having a lot of energy, I struggle to see what other above-average attributes he has?

I can see the upside in Bergvall and Gray but I just don’t ever see Sarr holding down a starting position in a competitive team. He has the odd good game but goes missing far too often and has had more than enough chances at this point IMO.

We have enough mediocrity, especially in midfield, and he goes with Bents and Biss for me.
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Yeh if we remain in the Prem I would be selling Sarr. Go down and he will be on low wages so keep him around.
 
DubSpur said:
I'm not disputing the model, more who they left it in the hands of to run it instead of Levy.
It would've made more sense to phase Levy out, move him into the non-executive chairman role and have his knowledge of the club on hand.
At the moment it doesn't look like anyone is in charge and things are just drifting again.
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You say that like Levy would have been happy to do that when plenty of reports suggest a sale of the club included him running it still.
 
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