I'll have to try find it
Even just one thing on Frank... (I think there are many, but this is one of the bigger one's).
We've had many of them over the recent years I've lost count. I don't even bother with the "it's the worst I've seen since xxx" because it's usually just recency bias. I ont k ow if we have more than 5 good performances in the last 2 years in the league. Weirdly in Europe both this and last season we've had a few more creditable performances but the league has been dirt.
Because we don't have players capable of passing through the middle well. If we had Nordgaard or Damsgasrd then I think we would have seen a different approach. He decided not to try something he didn't think would work. Whether he was correct in that assessment is up for debate, obviously as you know I agree with him in that I don't believe we were capable of doing this and likewise I know you believe they were despite the evidence showing otherwise.
Why where they capable of it under Ange but not under Frank? (I'd expect some drop off with Madders and Kulu out, but not to the extent there has been).
Waiting until after the Forest game is too late. That would mean we would have lost to a relegation rival, and just can't afford to lose that and then start again. He is obviously in charge for the Liverpool game, once we've lost that Tudor should be out and the new man should be in straight away.
And fans of other teams say we’re not a “Big Club”…! “Your own BBC banner, you’ll never sing that”
Especially for the Forest game.
They wasn't though. We put up comparable numbers last season, and that's with Kulu and Madders in the team.
We weren't capable of it under Ange that's the point. You've actually forgotten what the football was like under Ange last season. At times we were basically the 'Kulu team' if he wasn't rampaging around we had nothing.
The figures shown state otherwise.
The discussion isn't if the football was good or not. The number of through balls under Frank is about 25% of what it was under Frank. That's a clear lack of intent and removing any creativity from the team.
We played 18 through balls last season and have played 11 this season, without our two most creative players.
The choice between flogging Kudus and having no outball also very much included the option of flogging him to the point of him getting a lengthy injury problem meaning that we'd be without that out ball for a rather long time.
The numbers don't seem to back up what you're saying but I think it's fairly obvious why. The only 2 players who you would expect to play such passes are Kulu and Maddison and neither has been available this season. I'm not really surprised to see Bentancur, Sarr, Gray, Bergvall, Gallagher and Palhinha failing to make passes they don't really have the ability to play. Why would I expect them to?
I suppose the issue with Kudus is the lack of quality depth. Putting aside B Johnson for the moment because he's not capable of playing in the manner Kudus was then we had a squad depth problem whereby Frank simply didn't feel he had an option to rest Kudus. In retrospect Odobert starting shining there so he probably should have tried that earlier but I'll admit that I also didn't like Odobert played on the right anytime I saw him there untill towards the very end of Frank tenure. So yes he probably lying did over play him but he also quite legitimately would not have felt he had any other options.
