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*** OMT Tottenham Hotspur v West Ham FC ***

Kandi1977 said:
And the two before that were Conte and Mourinho. If the deal is right, we're more than capable of attracting their likes of Klopp.
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One left the club saying that we’re basically unmanageable under the current ownership, the other quickly returned to winning a trophy (having been sacked by us days before a cup final), leaving us as the only club he’s failed to do that at.

Form an orderly queue for those applications please, top-level managers!
 
SpurMeUp said:
Do you subscibe to the view that players coming to the PL often need time to settle in? Yes/No?


Was he available today?

Tel has played his best football under Frank, wouldn't you agree? Not saying much, but he's looked a whole lot better this season than last. Who cares if he is an international (he isn't btw).


All new players lacking confidence. Who'd have thought!


This analysis is too simplisic. Other successful sides play exactly the same way we do. This whole 'patterns' thing isn't the issue. If Tel or Odobert bang the chance in in the opening minutes, and the side start to galvanize and play with ballance and confidence, would you be talking about patterns? No.
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People probably would probably be quite happy if we started to galvanize, playing with balance and confidence.
 
Chrissivad said:
Natural position on hand balls is now useless.

If trying to pull someone back is a natural position (going on the commentator) then jumping, sliding or just throwing your self Infront of the ball should all be natural position.

No matter how hight the arm goes.
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Haven't seen anything back as I was at the game but surely pulling someone back is a foul? In which case how can you use the natural position defence?
 
billyiddo said:
Haven't seen anything back as I was at the game but surely pulling someone back is a foul? In which case how can you use the natural position defence?
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I don't think there was a pull back, more arm across a shoulder, but it's not a natural action.

But I'm sure they said pulling was natural when I was watching. But it's always anti spurs.
 
glasgowspur said:
I did, though not clearly as stream was buffering, from what I seen both bouncing thigh high so not the easy chances you keep claiming they were.
And two chances at home in 45 minutes to a side on a terrible run battling relegation is not something for the manager to be proud of.
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I thought you said forwards score goals if you create chances for them? There were other chances but tel and obobert are forwards - it is their job to tuck those kinds of clear openings away.
 
Mikey10 said:
It was. A scandalous decision.
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We've got bigger problems than VAR, but these poor, poor refereeing decisions are just tireing now. Like Trump.

The West Ham guy changed the trajectory of the ball. With his hand. To the disadvantage of Gallagher.

In what parallell universe is that not a penalty? Feels like fudging twilight zone or something.

And yeah, we were tinkle poor and probably got what we deserved in the end, but that travesty of an unbelieavble decision meant something. Decisions and moments change games.

Despite our fallings, West Ham had only scored one goal when we had our nailed on penalty denied. That could've been West Ham deeply regretting not taking their chances. That could've been 2-1 Spurs.

No one knows what would've happened next, but we sure as hell wouldn't have lost 2-1.

I'm a Spurs fan, I can handle shoddy defending, misplaced passes, crap finishing and poor performances; I'm used to that disappointment. It's fine. It's a part of being a footbal fan.

But when referees with modern technology, time and fudging hindsight keep making an inconsistent mockery of the rules game after game, it makes me think I've had enough of it all. It's destroying the game for me.

I knew when they replayed that handball 20 times or so that it wouldn't be given. The handball itself was blatantly obvious from one replay. Someone was looking at something else, for whatever reason, and it was going to be deemed more important than the handball.

Just a rant, I know, and who cares what I think. But it's brick like this, along with the money and the financial doping and the authoritarian regimes taking advantage of football, that makes me feel seriously disconnected. It's not really Frank, Vicario or whoever the spacegoat of the week is. Just the general condition of football these days.

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SpurMeUp said:
Do you subscibe to the view that players coming to the PL often need time to settle in? Yes/No?


Was he available today?

Tel has played his best football under Frank, wouldn't you agree? Not saying much, but he's looked a whole lot better this season than last. Who cares if he is an international (he isn't btw).


All new players lacking confidence. Who'd have thought!


This analysis is too simplisic. Other successful sides play exactly the same way we do. This whole 'patterns' thing isn't the issue. If Tel or Odobert bang the chance in in the opening minutes, and the side start to galvanize and play with ballance and confidence, would you be talking about patterns? No.
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Players coming into the PL absolutely need time to settle, totally agreed.

No Kudus was not available.

I think Tel has probably been a bit better under Frank, but he’s barely played! And under Ange he was playing in a team tanking the league, and mostly as a lone striker. I don’t think it’s saying much one way or the other.

With respect, I think the bar is not only on the floor, it’s in the basement, except that it’s gone through the basement and is on its way down to the earth’s core, if we’re using ‘if X player scored that goal in the early minutes the team would have been galvanized and had balance and confidence’. It’s West Ham at home! Relegation threatened West Ham! To be clear, I’m not saying I want 09 Barca. I just want the players to look like they have any idea whatsoever about how to play together, that doesn’t involve slinging in crosses. We’re six months in.

And that’s my point. I can readily accept that players coming into the league need time to settle. But in six months if the intention was to have them play anything that isn’t just crosses, we would see it. Wirtz is settling in at Liverpool, but no one is saying that Liverpool’s in possession game is as rancid as ours. He is within a system where the intention is there, and he just isn’t executing yet. We are so far off looking like we have any idea in possession.
 
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Robbo said:
We've got bigger problems than VAR, but these poor, poor refereeing decisions are just tireing now. Like Trump.

The West Ham guy changed the trajectory of the ball. With his hand. To the disadvantage of Gallagher.

In what parallell universe is that not a penalty? Feels like fudging twilight zone or something.

And yeah, we were tinkle poor and probably got what we deserved in the end, but that travesty of an unbelieavble decision meant something. Decisions and moments change games.

Despite our fallings, West Ham had only scored one goal when we had our nailed on penalty denied. That could've been West Ham deeply regretting not taking their chances. That could've been 2-1 Spurs.

No one knows what would've happened next, but we sure as hell wouldn't have lost 2-1.

I'm a Spurs fan, I can handle shoddy defending, misplaced passes, crap finishing and poor performances; I'm used to that disappointment. It's fine. It's a part of being a footbal fan.

But when referees with modern technology, time and fudging hindsight keep making an inconsistent mockery of the rules game after game, it makes me think I've had enough of it all. It's destroying the game for me.

I knew when they replayed that handball 20 times or so that it wouldn't be given. The handball itself was blatantly obvious from one replay. Someone was looking at something else, for whatever reason, and it was going to be deemed more important than the handball.

Just a rant, I know, and who cares what I think. But it's brick like this, along with the money and the financial doping and the authoritarian regimes taking advantage of football, that makes me feel seriously disconnected. It's not really Frank, Vicario or whoever the spacegoat of the week is. Just the general condition of football these days.

/rant
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I was watching live and stepped away for 2 seconds while this review was happening, assuming I’d come back to us taking a penalty, couldn’t believe it wasn’t given. What was the reason on commentary? Natural position? He moves his hand towards the ball and stabs it out of Gallagher’s path?

Natural position is surely when the ball is whacked at you from a short distance and you can’t be punished simply for having arms. Or if the ball hits you when you’re falling over and you justifiably protect yourself.

But this? He literally pokes the ball away with his hand! Insane.
 
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