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Mohammed Kudus

Mabspurs said:
Did not age well....
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Why's that? I still see someone who, quite often, misses the better choice. He has skill to burn and plenty of pace, so he can often appear to be doing lots more than he is. It's not uncommon for the average football fan to massively overrated this type of player. They tend to be the same ones jumping about like clapping seals when their team wins a corner.

He's 45th in the League's xA/90 chart, behind attacking heavyweights such as Marc Cucurella and Diogo Dalot.

He's got all the talent to be regularly at the top of that list, but he'll need the right manager and will need to listen to him. I think he's working with a talented manger now, so there's no reason for him not to.
 
scaramanga said:
Why's that? I still see someone who, quite often, misses the better choice. He has skill to burn and plenty of pace, so he can often appear to be doing lots more than he is. It's not uncommon for the average football fan to massively overrated this type of player. They tend to be the same ones jumping about like clapping seals when their team wins a corner.

He's 45th in the League's xA/90 chart, behind attacking heavyweights such as Marc Cucurella and Diogo Dalot.

He's got all the talent to be regularly at the top of that list, but he'll need the right manager and will need to listen to him. I think he's working with a talented manger now, so there's no reason for him not to.
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xA/90 is as much about the players you're creating for. We haven't had a good available striker all season so his expected assists should be low.
 
Bishop said:
xA/90 is as much about the players you're creating for. We haven't had a good available striker all season so his expected assists should be low.
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It's really not, that's the whole point of the X part.

And we're massively outperforming both out xG and our xA. In any other team in any other circumstances he'd have fewer assists.
 
scaramanga said:
It's really not, that's the whole point of the X part.

And we're massively outperforming both out xG and our xA. In any other team in any other circumstances he'd have fewer assists.
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If the player doesn't make the run or move into the space you can't play the pass that potentially creates the assist. We haven't had a competent striker so the xA will be low.
 
scaramanga said:
Why's that? I still see someone who, quite often, misses the better choice. He has skill to burn and plenty of pace, so he can often appear to be doing lots more than he is. It's not uncommon for the average football fan to massively overrated this type of player. They tend to be the same ones jumping about like clapping seals when their team wins a corner.

He's 45th in the League's xA/90 chart, behind attacking heavyweights such as Marc Cucurella and Diogo Dalot.

He's got all the talent to be regularly at the top of that list, but he'll need the right manager and will need to listen to him. I think he's working with a talented manger now, so there's no reason for him not to.
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Now why did I expect a condescending reply like that???

I may be a clapping seal, mate, but I know quality when I see it.... x's or no x's!!
 
Mabspurs said:
Kulu (not Kudus) is extremely two-footed and in Italy did what you are saying pretty regularly using his right foot...
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Ahhh I thought you were talking about Kudus. Kulu I'm unconvinced about as well tbh, especially if trying to play as a real width option. He does have a right foot but in terms of the PL he rarely uses it and I think his goal threat would be massively reduced.

Tbh I just prefer Kulu centrally anyway, I don't really want to see him on the right either, slaloming through the centre and playing off the likes of Xavi or Muani are where I think we see the best from him, but needs might must.
 
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Fair enough... ideally if we get a class left winger (ala Semenyo) I would agree with you 100% and dedicate Kulu as a central option. Problem is that until that happens we will have a square peg in a round hole situation.... Xavi is clearly not suited for the role and unless Odobert improves drastically (or Muani is revelation), then we will need a short term compromise option until we solve the left problem
 
scaramanga said:
Why's that? I still see someone who, quite often, misses the better choice. He has skill to burn and plenty of pace, so he can often appear to be doing lots more than he is. It's not uncommon for the average football fan to massively overrated this type of player. They tend to be the same ones jumping about like clapping seals when their team wins a corner.

He's 45th in the League's xA/90 chart, behind attacking heavyweights such as Marc Cucurella and Diogo Dalot.

He's got all the talent to be regularly at the top of that list, but he'll need the right manager and will need to listen to him. I think he's working with a talented manger now, so there's no reason for him not to.
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The first bold-faced sentence is tyical 'you', ya cheeky little rascal!

'This type of player'...what does that mean?
What 'type' of player is he? Who else fits that description?
I would counter by saying an 'average to not too smart' football fan has narrow and specific quantifications for what validates a player as valuable, good, and important to a side.

The second bold-faced sentence? Errr, I don't think you'll find anyone who hasn't said the same. You haven't invented the critical wheel with that observation my friend...

BTW, be grateful he is a player still developing in many regards, otherwise we would not have been able to afford him.
 
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Mabspurs said:
Fair enough... ideally if we get a class left winger (ala Semenyo) I would agree with you 100% and dedicate Kulu as a central option. Problem is that until that happens we will have a square peg in a round hole situation.... Xavi is clearly not suited for the role and unless Odobert improves drastically (or Muani is revelation), then we will need a short term compromise option until we solve the left problem
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If we are serious about giving Frank what he wants, we need to push the boat out in the next two windows and get him Semenyo IMO...
 
scaramanga said:
Why's that? I still see someone who, quite often, misses the better choice. He has skill to burn and plenty of pace, so he can often appear to be doing lots more than he is. It's not uncommon for the average football fan to massively overrated this type of player. They tend to be the same ones jumping about like clapping seals when their team wins a corner.

He's 45th in the League's xA/90 chart, behind attacking heavyweights such as Marc Cucurella and Diogo Dalot.

He's got all the talent to be regularly at the top of that list, but he'll need the right manager and will need to listen to him. I think he's working with a talented manger now, so there's no reason for him not to.
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I agree his decision making lets him down at times and his end product is something of a concern. Gotten into double digits for goals and assists a couple of times in his career, but not much more and not consistently. If he could add that to his game, perhaps partly through better decision making in part, he'd be an elite player.

As things stand he's probably overall our best ball progressor, he keeps possession amazingly well, he's a constant threat the opposition has to worry about. That's all really good. Can he step up from there? I'm not sure. But he's still a very good player.
 
braineclipse said:
I agree his decision making lets him down at times and his end product is something of a concern. Gotten into double digits for goals and assists a couple of times in his career, but not much more and not consistently. If he could add that to his game, perhaps partly through better decision making in part, he'd be an elite player.

As things stand he's probably overall our best ball progressor, he keeps possession amazingly well, he's a constant threat the opposition has to worry about. That's all really good. Can he step up from there? I'm not sure. But he's still a very good player.
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But we know these things mate.
We also know his ceiling is high, and we also know he is now at a club where he can progress and learn as opposed to West Ham where all he'll have learnt is that it was a brick move to go there.
Look at the calibre of players he is playing with, and consider the calibre of player to return.
Imagine if he had a fit Solanke to work off. Imagine if we had a strong left-winger to counter balance/ensure he doesn't get doubled all the time? Xavi drifting inside and picking up pockets and possession are already proving helpful in desaturating the amount of doubling he endures per game.
He will absolutely step it up as our side and systems develop.
New club, new manager, new coaches, injuries to key areas around him and he still has 4 assists and a goal, as well as being a presence and energy.
Let's enjoy what he brings and has, and let's believe that he will continue to ascend in his development. A fine player and great talent.
 
braineclipse said:
I agree his decision making lets him down at times and his end product is something of a concern. Gotten into double digits for goals and assists a couple of times in his career, but not much more and not consistently. If he could add that to his game, perhaps partly through better decision making in part, he'd be an elite player.

As things stand he's probably overall our best ball progressor, he keeps possession amazingly well, he's a constant threat the opposition has to worry about. That's all really good. Can he step up from there? I'm not sure. But he's still a very good player.
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If "his decision making (does not) let him down at times" and his end product was immaculate, do you think there is a chance in hell that he would be playing in our team?
 
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